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***The first, most important rule is: get the temp right with an empty incubator, and make sure it's stable for 48 hours- without the plugs, without you touching it- BEFORE you add eggs.***
This is the hardest part, and if you can be good and do it, you have a much better shot at success. Do it before you order eggs, even. That gives you time to get it perfect.
Use 3 (yes, 3!) of the sealed-in-glass aquarium thermometers from Wally World ($1.70 each, I always have at least a dozen on hand for my 6 incubators).
They have a little green suction cup- I leave it on and move it to the weighted end for one thermometer, the top end on another and the middle for the third. This makes them a slight bit different in elevation in the incubator as the turner moves, so you can average them for the true temp.
Place them where it will be easy to read from the windows, and turn them in the suction cup so they're angled correctly to read the red line through your windows. They need to be on the turner, wedged between eggs so you can read what the center of the egg is, internally.
This is the only reliable way, as the thermometers that come with the incubators on cardboard change as humidity changes, and they tell you the eggs' top temperature or the temp on the floor! Took forever to figure out my incubator wasn't really spiking as badly as the thermometer said, but that the temp spikes were due to the cardboard shrinking and swelling from humidity!
***Recently it has come to my attention that some folks are having issues with these thermometers losing accuracy. I have not experienced this, but thought I ought to post a valuable bit of info to ascertain whether you have accuracy or not in YOUR thermometers.
BYC user Jessshan8 posted this regarding evaluating your thermometer:Quote:
►Fill an insulated cup with crushed ice and water.
►The cup must have enough crushed ice to provide an environment of 32°F, so you may need to pack more ice into the cup during the process.
► When the mixture of the water has stabilized in about four or five minutes, insert the thermometer to be calibrated to the appropriate immersion depth.
►Be sure to hold the stem of the instrument away from the bottom and sides of the container (preferably one inch) to avoid error.
► If your thermometer is not accurate within +/- 2°F of 32°F., adjust the thermometer accordingly. The ice point method permits calibration to within 0.1°F.
When you put eggs in your LG, it will take hours to get stable again- ignore it!!! Walk away for a day!!!
The temp will drop when you first add eggs. Don't adjust it at all.
After 2 days with eggs, you can put a plug in to go up a degree or two. You can add another plug if you need to.
If you're over 101.5*F 48 hours after you add eggs, you can turn the thing down A HAIR.
That's all. Don't adjust again for a day- be patient.
**Don't dismiss this advice!!**
You can go up a degree or two per plug you add at this point, too.
- Try not to use the knob to adjust.
- Being a bit off in the beginning as it takes your eggs up to temperature internally is less destructive than yo-yo adjustments.
- Stability is only accomplished with real patience.
AFTER the first 2 days, during which the eggs are being brought up to temp:
- If the temp isn't too hot- like 102* consistently for 2 hours, I don't turn it down.
- If it's not below 98* consistently for 2+ hours, I don't turn it up. I add a plug and wait 24 hours. I haven't adjusted my thermostats in 6+ months.
You can get it stable. My incubators are always full. **So are my brooders.**
Ignore humidity until day 18. Do I need to repeat that? No water, no worries. Ignore it completely. The only thing you need to do is candle at days 7, 14, and 18 to compare the air cell size with recommended ratios of KNOWN GOOD air cell development. This is a good image for reference. Note that if shipped, your eggs may have a wonky air cell and the shape of the line may differ substantially. This isn't important. Focus on the amount of air versus the amount of chick.
Incidentally, a 'hygrometer' is used for measuring the humidity of an environment. A 'hydrometer' is different and measures the density of a liquid. These are read by the depth they float or sink in a body of liquid, and thus the 'line' of the surface of the liquid marks a number on the device. Most often, hydrometers are used by saltwater aquarium enthusiasts to determine the amount of salt in their water to ensure it isn't too saline or not saline enough.
Note: I don't increase the humidity until one egg pips- usually day 19. That being said, for days 19, 20, and 21 (after someone pips), roll up paper towels and stuff them in the water channels, then fill the channels. Lay another half paper towel across the wire. I use paper towels because they're disposable, so they won't harbor bacteria, and they increase the surface area of the evaporative substrate while wicking moisture up through the channels from the paper towels swelling up out of them. You'll then have BOTH sides of the paper towel exposed on the wire, plus the surface of the ones rolled up in the channels, which swell to rise over the channels themselves. You'll easily hit adequate humidity if you follow my instructions. It may even fog up. It's okay, as it will settle down, and since you used no water previously, the high humidity will not pose a threat, as they have already evaporated the majority of the egg moisture- no drownings!
Put the eggs on the now damp paper towel which will have absorbed water from the paper towels poking up out of the water channels, and make sure the whole lot stays moist for 3 days while in hatch mode. NOT SOAKING, mind you, but some portion of the paper towel ought to be moist. Not even necessarily all of it.
If you must add water (which isn't likely) use tubing through the holes on the top of the incubator or open a window to do it. Don't open the lid, if you can help it. I do go in through a window sometimes on the LG. Actually, I do a lot!! I'm not very good about that particular discipline. I have often used a small funnel to add a bit of H2O at a time through a vent hole, just letting it fall on the paper towel on the wire. Sometimes the eggs get dribbled on- it doesn't matter, so long as you use lukewarm water.
I've hatched hundreds or thousands of eggs this way.
*****YOU MUST GET THE INCUBATOR STABLE BEFORE YOU ADD EGGS.*****
ACK!! One more thing. If you only have one machine, it's best to use something like egg cartons to hatch them, with the bottom cut out of each little cup for air movement. Otherwise, when you take out the turner the eggs are laying so much lower than they were in the turner that the temps are no longer appropriate and they're way too cold. This is important!
Even a tiny bit of difference in height can mean a big difference in yolk-temp so you might wipe them out in the last 3 days if you don't use a carton or prop up the wire. You can mark the turner edge on the styrofoam and use that line to help you position the wire on shallow bowls or compote cups to get the middle of the eggs at the same height they were for the first 18 days. Put the wire back in and you're good to go. Egg cartons are easier. This doesn't affect hatchability, but you won't want the paper towel on the wire AND cardboard cartons, as this will be too humid. Do use the paper towels if you use styrofoam egg cartons. I have also used saucers upside-down and put the wire on those with little silverware baskets from the dollar store to hatch the at the right level. This also keeps them sorted by breed when I have multiple similar-looking breeds hatching.
If you have had both plugs out the whole time, you might be able to get the right temp for them lying on the floor by just plugging both holes, but that's an unknown factor until you've tried it, and you don't want to find out with eggs that are about to hatch. I use a separate machine as the hatcher to avoid this conundrum when I can.
Hope it makes sense! Let me know if you have any questions. ChooksChick at gmail dot com.
I'm adding this Q & A section for frequently asked questions. Let me know if there's something you'd like to see here.
Q. Can you describe your feelings on the humidity portion and why you suggest no water at all?
A. The method I describe is also referred to as 'dry incubation' and it's the only sure way I know of to decrease the embryonic mass by enough in the first 2 1/2 weeks to make the baby small enough to negotiate getting in the right position to pip properly. Many times if there isn't enough evaporation, the chick can't get into the right position to get enough leverage to pip and they never make it out. The chick is just too big.
If there's substantial evaporation, this seems to be less of a problem. You do need to have adequate humidity for the chick to not get glued in, however, so you increase the humidity to prevent the remaining moisture from dying as the chick opens the shell with first the pip and then the zip. That's why it's important to watch the humidity at the end. There's a whole host of various opinions about how to incubate, but this has worked for me a zillion times and I encourage folks to at least read it, even if they choose another method, just to get some ideas about what they observe and have a bit of background so they can make educated decisions as they go through their chosen method the first time.
Q. Will this work on a forced-air incubator?
A. Yes, many have used it on a forced air incubator, but I suggest you don't let the humidity dip below 20% for a prolonged duration, adding a tad of water through a straw if it's that low for more than 24 hours. I also advocate using the paper towels on the last three days STRONGLY, because anytime a pip is large but the pipper is slow, gluing can occur more easily with the fan and air movement.
If you can turn off the fan for the lockdown period, that would be ideal.
Comparison of the air cell at days 7, 14 and 18 will better allow you to predict whether you need to add water in your forced-air incubator or not.
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