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I've been reading the threads on Marek's disease and it looks like a potential treatment is St. John's Wort (hypericum).    I have some questions about how and when to give to my chickens.  They were confirmed to have Marek's disease via Necropsy at UC Davis and I have now lost 15 out of my 27 chicks.  As of today, I don't have any that are exhibiting any symptoms, but with this disease I find the pullets get sick and die very fast- some within a day, others within 5 days.  

 

My question is do I only treat the pullet who has symptoms or can I treat all my chickens even though they appear to be healthy and fine?  I know the hypericum has to be absorbed through the mucous membrane for it to be effective- could I just add it to their water supply?  My husband bought capsules at .3% so what would be the proper dose for each pullet or the total of 12?  They are 16-18 weeks old now.  

 

Thanks so much 

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Anyone?  Is there anyone who can help me?  

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There are many threads here about Mareks where hypericum is discussed. Also here is a link to pages of threads about it and some of the Mareks threads that are ongoing:

http://www.backyardchickens.com/newsearch?search=hypericum

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/894589/moving-forward-breeding-for-resistance-to-mareks-disease

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/741957/not-an-emergency-mareks-in-the-flock

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Thanks for the thread links- I had read all of those and my question was very specific.  I just didn't want to have to go back and read through 75 pages of one thread  to locate an answer and was hoping someone here could answer for me.  I lost another chicken this morning and would like some advice on using St. John's Wort without harming the rest of  my chickens.  I guess it doesn't matter since they are all dying anyway.  :( 

 

I'm very sad right now.  

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Thanks for the thread links- I had read all of those and my question was very specific.  I just didn't want to have to go back and read through 75 pages of one thread  to locate an answer and was hoping someone here could answer for me.  I lost another chicken this morning and would like some advice on using St. John's Wort without harming the rest of  my chickens.  I guess it doesn't matter since they are all dying anyway.  sad.png 

I'm very sad right now.  

I know this is an old post, but I'm sorry no one answered you. It's a very hard thing to deal with. I have only had chickens since May, but we have lost 6 out of 8 to Mareks. We are very attached to them, they are our pets, not for dinner and we love them. In the beginning I wasn't aware that St. John's wort could possibly help. I have since been using it as a prevention, because the necropsy and extensive state lab tests concluded I have the most serious and fatal strain of Mareks on our property. I dissolve one tablet into 3/4 gallon of distilled water twice a week into my current flocks drinking water for 2-3 hours to ensure they all go to drink it, but aren't drinking it all day long, consuming too much of it. I also rotate days using probiotics, ACV, and a vitamin blend called poultry cell. I now have not lost any more chickens in 3 months. I did however have a 2.5 month time gap in which I hadn't added any chickens... So I'd have to do some math and consider the incubation period of the virus.... I could start losing some again any day now, but I'm trying my best not to! I have had two become a bit lethargic recently, but after some additional St. John's wort and a few doses of collodial silver, they showed HUGE improvement. It's a day to day thing now.

I just wanted to ask you for an update.. Did you have any survivors? Did you try to add any? I sure hope you didn't have to give up on chicken keeping. I fear that is my fate some day, but I have a couple more things I will try first. I also spent a lot of time researching Mareks vaccines.. I even called vaccine manufacturers to learn all I could. I got a wealth of knowledge from the calls I made, if any one wants to know more about what I was told please message me.
2 Black Silkies ("DohDoh" "Barney"). 1 bantam Cochin ("Chickie"). 1 Barnyard Mix ("Mister Rooster"). 2 Rhode Island Reds ("Rosie & Ruby"). 2 Wyandottes ("Henny Penny & Ethel"). 1 Barred Rock beauty ("Gracie") 2 dogs, 6 fish, 6 shrimp, 2 frogs.. And 3 animal loving humans. 💜

(We miss you Pippi bird, Coco, DeeDee, & RooBerri !!)
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2 Black Silkies ("DohDoh" "Barney"). 1 bantam Cochin ("Chickie"). 1 Barnyard Mix ("Mister Rooster"). 2 Rhode Island Reds ("Rosie & Ruby"). 2 Wyandottes ("Henny Penny & Ethel"). 1 Barred Rock beauty ("Gracie") 2 dogs, 6 fish, 6 shrimp, 2 frogs.. And 3 animal loving humans. 💜

(We miss you Pippi bird, Coco, DeeDee, & RooBerri !!)
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Thank you SO much for responding to my post from last summer.  So much was going on with our chickens and then when I didn't get a response it just seemed to add to my anquish.  Out of 27 chickens, we ended up with 6 and with those, I wasn't sure if they were going to survive.  I assume I had a similar serious strain of Marek's.  And like you, I had grown attached to these chickens, some of which I had to cull myself.  Once my favorite chicken died, I was done.  I called the feed store where I had got them and they agreed to take back the few I had remaining and give us adults that had been vaccinated.  

 

In order to get our chicken run/coop ready we had the top layer of dirt removed from the run and had sprayed the entire place (coop, dirt, fencing) with a product that is supposed to kill everything, virus, bacteria, everything.  Then we covered the ground with about 6 inches of new DG and started completely fresh.  I ended up getting with 15 adults and so far everyone is doing great with no illnesses and are laying eggs just fine.  The downside is I don't have any breeds from my original group which I loved and I am not attached at all with these.  a couple are somewhat friendly but since they were not handled much they are not friendly.  

 

Sorry about your chickens, I hope to never have to go through that again! 

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Thank you SO much for responding to my post from last summer.  So much was going on with our chickens and then when I didn't get a response it just seemed to add to my anquish.  Out of 27 chickens, we ended up with 6 and with those, I wasn't sure if they were going to survive.  I assume I had a similar serious strain of Marek's.  And like you, I had grown attached to these chickens, some of which I had to cull myself.  Once my favorite chicken died, I was done.  I called the feed store where I had got them and they agreed to take back the few I had remaining and give us adults that had been vaccinated.  

In order to get our chicken run/coop ready we had the top layer of dirt removed from the run and had sprayed the entire place (coop, dirt, fencing) with a product that is supposed to kill everything, virus, bacteria, everything.  Then we covered the ground with about 6 inches of new DG and started completely fresh.  I ended up getting with 15 adults and so far everyone is doing great with no illnesses and are laying eggs just fine.  The downside is I don't have any breeds from my original group which I loved and I am not attached at all with these.  a couple are somewhat friendly but since they were not handled much they are not friendly.  

Sorry about your chickens, I hope to never have to go through that again! 

Do you remember what the product was that you used to clean? All of my current chickens have been vaccinated, although I know it is no guarantee they will make it either.
2 Black Silkies ("DohDoh" "Barney"). 1 bantam Cochin ("Chickie"). 1 Barnyard Mix ("Mister Rooster"). 2 Rhode Island Reds ("Rosie & Ruby"). 2 Wyandottes ("Henny Penny & Ethel"). 1 Barred Rock beauty ("Gracie") 2 dogs, 6 fish, 6 shrimp, 2 frogs.. And 3 animal loving humans. 💜

(We miss you Pippi bird, Coco, DeeDee, & RooBerri !!)
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2 Black Silkies ("DohDoh" "Barney"). 1 bantam Cochin ("Chickie"). 1 Barnyard Mix ("Mister Rooster"). 2 Rhode Island Reds ("Rosie & Ruby"). 2 Wyandottes ("Henny Penny & Ethel"). 1 Barred Rock beauty ("Gracie") 2 dogs, 6 fish, 6 shrimp, 2 frogs.. And 3 animal loving humans. 💜

(We miss you Pippi bird, Coco, DeeDee, & RooBerri !!)
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Hello sorry it has taken me so long to reply- my husband had it made up from a compound pharmacy that he works with. It is usually in a topical form but they made it into a liquid spray. To be honest I have no idea if it worked or if we got lucky with getting vaccinated adults this time around and removing all the dirt etc. I will probably never get chicks just to play it safe. Hope your hens are doing well smile.png
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