sizzle, frizzle, and frazzle???

Glenda Heywood
Yes the correct term is
Frizzle IE: breed type Cochin, Silkie, Leghorn etc.
But back in the day in 1970's
Frizzles were Cochin breed type and (White Color) only.
and could only win BEST OF VARIETY AND RESERVE OF VARIETY Frizzle.(BV OR RV)
And never went up against the best Cochin of the show.
But to day we have the rules changed.
The frizzle breed type of 1 color will be put with the breed type of the same color.
Then Judged as BV and RV of that color breed type.
Then it goes up against the winner of the color breed type for best of breed.
Such as today we see:
White Frizzled Cochins going on to be BB or RB of the Cochin class at shows
Also Black Frizzled Cochins winning BB and or RB of Cochin class of show.
So it goes with other frizzled breed types.
But mostly Cochin Frizzles have come up with the big winners.
As Cochin breed type frizzles have excellent body type and good frizzling
with correct face, feet, leg color to win the cochin breed class.
GO TO EXHIBITION FRIZZLE BREEDERS ON FACEBOOK and see many of the champions pictured and talked about there.

Glenda Heywood

I raised frizzles and showed them for decades and the best is a frizzle rooster that can be put on females of regular feathers for the first generation
DO NOT START WITH EXTREME FRIZZLE as it has a genetics for a stringy feather that looks oily

and the frizzling of the correct bird needs to be a wide feather with the frizzle in it towards the head of the bird

extreme frizzles throw a feather quality that is too brittle and does not hold a good wide curled feather

always use the regular feather if no smooths are available in the original breeding

then in F-2 use only the frizzle male back on the smooth females provided in the first mating

thus it will give you more of the correct frizzling in the offspring of F-1 and F-2

Using three females on the original frizzle male
(smooths if you can get them) will make three lines of frizzles for F-2 and F-3 matings

ie:
female #1
Female #2
female #3

all can be mated to each others male offspring in F-1 and F-2 and F-3 etc
you mated #1 cockerel to #2 females
#2 cockerels to #3
etc mating the same females offspring to her also

the different female F-1,F-2,F-3 females can be mated to the original cock bird also

There is much to be learned about frizzles but is very easily learnt

do not put regular feathered breed type birds back into the frizzle lines as it only detracts from the ideal frizzled feather quality

if you have to use regular feathered birds just use them in the first breeding not in F-1, F-2, F-3 etc

If I have confused you please email me any questions

remember the frizzles have a modifying gene that makes them keep the genetics for frizzling

I will post the information on the modifying gene next

Glenda L Heywood Cassville Missouri


ARTICLE #2

well having bred frizzle cochins for several decades I would not breed frizzle to frizzle

the "smooths" that come from a regular feathered cochin is the ones used in the f-1 mating
of father to daughter
mother to son

I always used the smooth females to my frizzle roosters

I showed both the female frizzles and male frizzles

The smooths are very important to the mating of frizzles

when using the frizzle to frizzle you get the extreme frizzles and will eventually breed the feathers off the birds
the feather folicles will not be in the skin

the chick will have curliest tight feathers and by the third molt not have many feathers at all
these extreme frizzles make for birds that can't stand the cold or the heat and have to be culled


the fact that if one breeds the frizzles long enough to each other you breed the feather folicles
the holes in the skin for the frizzle feather to come out. I know I tried it before I learned how to breed good frizzles
Frizzles have a modifying Gene which allows their feathers to curl forward. I had a pullet that had not more than 20 feathers on her whole body so she was a waster. I figured out quick that why take the time to feed and house birds I was going to kill 1/4 of them in the end

so went to using only smooths out of frizzles and regular frizzles. that way I got 1/2 frizzles of good quality and 1/2 smooths to breed with.

I personally liked my frizzle males for breeding to the smooth females as the smooth females had better type than the smooth males. I never liked a long legged cochin male

And I showed my female frizzles as well as the frizzle males.

Never had the brittle feathers that people speak of Just had them lose the places for feathers to grow into the body with. Folicle holes. but frizzles get a tight curled narrow wet looking feather if you breed frizzle to frizzle too long.


Here is a friend of mine from Australia that explains the modifying gene in frizzles
KazJaps from Australia

here is a Frizzle modifying gene (mf) that alters the ___expression of Frizzling (F). This might explain Glendas results. Put these genes together in different combinations & youll get various expressions of frizzling (or no frizzling). A bird may appear not to be frizzled, but may actually have the frizzle modifying gene masking ___expression (heterozygous for frizzling & homozygous for frizzle modifier: Ff+ mfmf). So the phenotype (how a bird looks) is non-frizzled, but genetically they have the frizzle gene. Glenda puts it nicely, Smooth Frizzle. The bird actually has one dose of the frizzle gene. Therefore offspring of 2 seemingly normal-feathered birds may produce a Frizzle (by the modifying gene becoming heterozygous or the frizzle gene becoming homozygous).

So, there are 5 main phenotypes (how a bird looks)
1: normal feathering (f+f+ Mf+Mf+ or f+f+ mfmf)
2: smooths, as Glenda calls them (Ff+ mfmf)
3: exhibition frizzles (Ff+ Mf+Mf+)
4: frizzled, less woolly than extreme (FF mfmf)
5: extreme frizzling (FF Mf+Mf+)

f+ = non-frizzled gene (wild type)
F = frizzle gene (incomplete dominant)

mf = modifying frizzle gene (recessive)
Mf+ = non-modifying frizzle gene (wild type)

FF = homozygous frizzle (2 doses of the frizzle gene)
Ff+ = heterozygous frizzle (1 dose of the frizzle gene)

mfmf = homozygous modifying frizzle (2 doses of the modifying frizzle gene)

* The modifying gene needs two copies (homozygous) for ___expression, plus the frizzle gene. The frizzle gene needs at least one copy for ___expression, plus not homozygous for modifying genes (if heterozygous for frizzling Ff+).

So, as Glenda explained, if you breed two smoothies together (Ff+ mfmf X Ff+ mfmf), there is still the possibility of getting frizzled birds (FF mfmf), about 25%. Also breeding a smoothie (Ff+ mfmf) with a normal feathered bird (wild type f+f+ Mf+Mf+) will produce frizzle (Ff+ Mf+mf), & so on

The frizzle modifying gene apparently is quite common in non-frizzled birds.

Well, thats the theory anyway. This thread is a perfect example why I like to listen to people who have bred birds for decades. It is not very common for poultry geneticists to have identified a modifying gene such as this

Glenda L Heywood Cassville Missouri

Are you just copying and pasting that info on every cochin/frizzle thread??

I'm not ready for that just yet but looking forward to it, now it's a little clear on what kind of CHICKS I need to order THANK YOU

Glenda Heywood
that information is the truth of breeding correct breed type frizzles.
and should be read by all who are interested in breeding frizzles with correct feather type
Also make note that the hatcherie company's like stromerg and Mcmurrys have perfessional breeders (people who sell to them
who use the frizzle to another frizzle and will only breed extreme frizzles not good frizzles

I really want frizzle Cochin frizzle say are Best with this breed I'm new I want to start showing my chickens what breeds are Best for anewbe besides frizzle is also my I thought you could do it with a silkie. Or are the sizzel sorry for stupid question I am going TO be a breeder that's my goal

Glenda Heywood
For a serious breeder one must get good stock before trying to raise pure bred chickens.
I raised frizzle cochins for several decades and the rules to breeding good pure bred stock is this
IE: go to the best to buy breeding stock.
So my advise is this
GO TO EXHIBITION FRIZZLE BREEDERS facebook site and read and look at the kind of Frizzle cochins are bred today.
That site has the best in the USA on it.
Try and read about them and my articles where ever you see them are the correct way to breed pure bred frizzle cochins.
Cochins are the ones who are winning their classifications IE: frizzle(feather variety) Cochin (breed type) and then color
usually white or black frizzled cochins are the ones then taking the BB or RB in feather legg IE: cochib is a featherleg breed type.
So my advise is to study the breed type and frizzle feathering of Ccochins.
get some chicks or eggs to hatch or actualy adult stock in frizzle cochins.
here is the way to breed them


2 ARTICLES ON BREEDING FRIZZLES
GLENDA HEYWOOD
IE: I used frizzle male on smooth females as I could tell the length in back of the male as a short cobby male makes for correct back on females.
IE: Now days there are better smooth males around and breeders are using smooth males to frizzled females.
I raised frizzles and showed them for decades and the best is a frizzle rooster that can be put on females of regular feathers for the first generation
DO NOT START WITH EXTREME FRIZZLE as it has a genetics for a stringy feather that looks oily
and the frizzling of the correct bird needs to be a wide feather with the frizzle in it towards the head of the bird
extreme frizzles throw a feather quality that is too brittle and does not hold a good wide curled feather
always use the regular feather if no smooths are available in the original breeding
then in F-2 use only the frizzle male back on the smooth females provided in the first mating
thus it will give you more of the correct frizzling in the offspring of F-1 and F-2
Using three females on the original frizzle male
(smooths if you can get them) will make three lines of frizzles for F-2 and F-3 matings
ie:
female #1
Female #2
female #3
all can be mated to each others male offspring in F-1 and F-2 and F-3 etc
you mated #1 cockerel to #2 females
#2 cockerels to #3
etc mating the same females offspring to her also
the different female F-1,F-2,F-3 females can be mated to the original cock bird also
There is much to be learned about frizzles but is very easily learnt
do not put regular feathered breed type birds back into the frizzle lines as it only detracts from the ideal frizzled feather quality
if you have to use regular feathered birds just use them in the first breeding not in F-1, F-2, F-3 etc
If I have confused you please email me any questions
remember the frizzles have a modifying gene that makes them keep the genetics for frizzling
I will post the information on the modifying gene next
Glenda L Heywood Cassville Missouri

ARTICLE #2
GLENDA HEYWOOD
IE: now days there are better smooth masles to use on frizzle females so the breeders are going that way
IE: my way in 1970's was a frizzle male to smooth females
well having bred frizzle cochins for several decades I would not breed frizzle to frizzle
the "smooths" that come from a regular feathered cochin is the ones used in the f-1 mating
of father to daughter
mother to son
I always used the smooth females to my frizzle roosters
I showed both the female frizzles and male frizzles
The smooths are very important to the mating of frizzles
when using the frizzle to frizzle you get the extreme frizzles and will eventually breed the feathers off the birds
the feather folicles will not be in the skin
the chick will have curliest tight feathers and by the third molt not have many feathers at all
these extreme frizzles make for birds that can't stand the cold or the heat and have to be culled
the fact that if one breeds the frizzles long enough to each other you breed the feather folicles
the holes in the skin for the frizzle feather to come out. I know I tried it before I learned how to breed good frizzles
Frizzles have a modifying Gene which allows their feathers to curl forward. I had a pullet that had not more than 20 feathers on her whole body so she was a waster. I figured out quick that why take the time to feed and house birds I was going to kill 1/4 of them in the end
so went to using only smooths out of frizzles and regular frizzles. that way I got 1/2 frizzles of good quality and 1/2 smooths to breed with.
I personally liked my frizzle males for breeding to the smooth females as the smooth females had better type than the smooth males. I never liked a long legged cochin male
And I showed my female frizzles as well as the frizzle males.
Never had the brittle feathers that people speak of Just had them lose the places for feathers to grow into the body with. Folicle holes. but frizzles get a tight curled narrow wet looking feather if you breed frizzle to frizzle too long.

Here is a friend of mine from Australia that explains the modifying gene in frizzles
KazJaps from Australia
here is a Frizzle modifying gene (mf) that alters the ___expression of Frizzling (F). This might explain Glendas results. Put these genes together in different combinations & youll get various expressions of frizzling (or no frizzling). A bird may appear not to be frizzled, but may actually have the frizzle modifying gene masking ___expression (heterozygous for frizzling & homozygous for frizzle modifier: Ff+ mfmf). So the phenotype (how a bird looks) is non-frizzled, but genetically they have the frizzle gene. Glenda puts it nicely, Smooth Frizzle. The bird actually has one dose of the frizzle gene. Therefore offspring of 2 seemingly normal-feathered birds may produce a Frizzle (by the modifying gene becoming heterozygous or the frizzle gene becoming homozygous).
So, there are 5 main phenotypes (how a bird looks)
1: normal feathering (f+f+ Mf+Mf+ or f+f+ mfmf)
2: smooths, as Glenda calls them (Ff+ mfmf)
3: exhibition frizzles (Ff+ Mf+Mf+)
4: frizzled, less woolly than extreme (FF mfmf)
5: extreme frizzling (FF Mf+Mf+)
f+ = non-frizzled gene (wild type)
F = frizzle gene (incomplete dominant)
mf = modifying frizzle gene (recessive)
Mf+ = non-modifying frizzle gene (wild type)
FF = homozygous frizzle (2 doses of the frizzle gene)
Ff+ = heterozygous frizzle (1 dose of the frizzle gene)
mfmf = homozygous modifying frizzle (2 doses of the modifying frizzle gene)
* The modifying gene needs two copies (homozygous) for ___expression, plus the frizzle gene. The frizzle gene needs at least one copy for ___expression, plus not homozygous for modifying genes (if heterozygous for frizzling Ff+).
So, as Glenda explained, if you breed two smoothies together (Ff+ mfmf X Ff+ mfmf), there is still the possibility of getting frizzled birds (FF mfmf), about 25%. Also breeding a smoothie (Ff+ mfmf) with a normal feathered bird (wild type f+f+ Mf+Mf+) will produce frizzle (Ff+ Mf+mf), & so on
The frizzle modifying gene apparently is quite common in non-frizzled birds.
Well, thats the theory anyway. This thread is a perfect example why I like to listen to people who have bred birds for decades. It is not very common for poultry geneticists to have identified a modifying gene such as this
Glenda L Heywood Cassville Missouri

EXHIBITION FRIZZLE WINNER OF BEST FEATHER LEG CLASS AT A SHOW
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One of our White Cochin Bantam Frizzle pullets now residing in Maine!

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Here is a black frizzle cochin of Matt Lhamon's

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Young Black Cochin Frizzle Bantam
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Frizzled Polish bantams

Frizzle Chicken

Frizzle chickens result from a genetic mutation which causes the feathers to curl up, instead of lying flat against the chicken’s body. A frizzle chicken is fluffy, with feathers sticking out like a curly head of hair. They are often said to look like Mum flowers.

History...

Frizzles reportedly originate from Southern Asia, the Philippines and Java around 300 years ago but examples were actually documented in Europe in 1676. These only had frizzled wings and neck hackles though. The breed is very popular for exhibition, usually in the bantam form. The large fowl was virtually extinct until a handful of enthusiasts recently started a breeding program to revive it. They are now considered to be a rare breed. Each feather is moderately long and curls backwards towards the bird\'s head. The individual feathers have a rather ragged appearance and the neck has abundant frizzled feathers. Frizzles are erect birds with short, broad bodies and a rounded full breast. They have long wings and large upright tails and their legs are free from feathers.








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