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does a round . scab on bottom of foot always mean bumblefoot.?

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could it be just healing. ???first discovered ths today when gave Baby Girl a soak in Epsom salt and "Melafix" for her red thighs and partially bare belly.. i had turned her over to be able to spray Rooster Booster wound spray better on her belly and saw the scab... Like I mentioned before she acts 90 instead of 1 and 1/2  yr old .. lost weight too. she usued to be plump... slow to now go .. just looks sick.  I am not sure ho much she eats... she wont get in there and peck the others like she used to. for treats or first to eat from a certain dish.... she is or was the dominant hen,,,

keeps by herself...I want back my pump Baby Girl.. even though she is not an egg layer....

  does bumblefoot ALWAYS swollen and red and hard?  hers scab is center pad of foot but not red etc...

 I called that place that makes those neoprene "booties

No one has gotten back with me..  DANG>>>>I wanted to order just in case. and dang if Baby Girrl does have a scab on bottom of her foot..

 otherwise How would I keep on a bandage... and keep it clean sine she "free ranges " on 1/2 acre fenced in area... I found a 2' inch vet wrap at  TSC tonight otherwise all the rest was 4 inches wide

PLEASE advise as I am scared of losing my first GIRL... my Baby Girl....

thanks yall.

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Pics can help get more opinions.

 

 Even a superficial scab on the foot pad is most likely bumblefoot . If superficial and not infected, conservative treatment can cure minor ones.

 

 But, I am more concerned about the red hocks and belly.  Sounds like a severe problem of Pododermatitis, bumble foot is the most common early signs we see in backyard flocks.   Pododermatitis is a contact dermatitis that affects skin surfaces which have prolonged contact with litter or other irritants.  It effects the foot pad, rear surface of the hocks and, when severe, the breast area.  And likely all the areas you are describing are coming from the same issue.

 

If you search Pododermtitis in Poultry, you can find more info about this.  The best informational sites are reports on commercially grown broilers.  The outcome is not optimistic. 

 

 IMO it is time to access professional advice.  

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where in the heck can I get professinal advice?????\ I still bet...MONEY that its depluming mites...... what is "conservative treatment"?  how could I keep a bandage on her foot in place.??   That dang place that sells those Neoprene booties wont return my calls....

why just her with the worse case...?  course she did sleep on the end with head close tor touching walls.....I though I metioned too her coop mates,one in particular more onHER  belly bottom feather loss too... and Roo losing more feathers each day

   and Hubby bought loads of new Oak or black walnut saw mill mulch.. we ALSO have wild BLACKBERY VINES. I AM CONSTATNLY CHOPPING UP....

They ( the 1  and 1/2 yr old..... have a raised 2 by 4 roost above poop bd.. poop bd covered with PDZ then plastic boot trays...easier to clean..everyday...

You say contact with litter? whats that... ??? My coop is constantly cleaned.... now bought a bag of that Horse stall bedding. tried that.... But no more.. It breaks up too easily... It did sit on the porch for a while before I finally used it though.. A member on here said she used it even in a brooder...well  anyway

they roam1 /2 acre fenced in...

.I will prob go back to those nice pine shavings...for coops floor...

I soaked Baby girls bottom area again last nite... with epsom salts and then" that fish teatree concoction..." METaflex"

 there is LOTS of feather loss,,, I say its those microscopic mites.... cause I see some raised scales starting.......on some of the others too

  I see all of them scratching their ears now, shaking their heads... I think "ear mites" cause them WILD BIRDS  are constatly around  trying to steal their stuff esp "sunflower seeds"

I thought about that too.... something irritating Baby Girl.skin...

. I was suspicious of that coarse"river sand" I asked my Hubby to buy>>> I asked him to buy just several buckets to see... But NO HUbby comes home with a load of it....he bought it from the local CONCRETE PLant.....

  so we strained it with window screening.....  That "chicken chick lady "showed a pic of what she used it was "small rocks..too".. she called it "construction sand"... so that is what I showed Hubby her photos on her web site.. under "dusting"   feather dusting"...

    well he says Im wishy washy. Heck I dont know....

 now how to dip them all in that "Happy Jack" sulfur stuff??? it only high 70's today and breezy and DRY so far...

  I AM SO  concerned and yall are all I have to ask.....and getting so discouraged..   

thanks


Edited by ladyearth - 9/25/15 at 11:10am
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ladyearth, wish I had an answer.  Guess I misunderstood, but thought your main question was about the foot issue, and I was more concerned about the other skin/feather issue and overall illness your chicken is demonstrating.  

 

 I understand your frustration, we have no vets around here that will treat poultry and I lost 2 of mine this year. 

 

 But I did once get help from our local Agriculture Agent, he forwarded my dilemma to the state Poultry Vet Experts and specific treatments were emailed to me,  and I  would suggest you call them to see if they can give advice. 

 

If you think they have skin or feather mites, they can offer the best treatment plan.

 

Otherwise, hope someone with more experience than I can offer some advice.

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I typed a post last nite but that" spinning colored wheel" drives me crazy and it was wee hrs of morning. so trying to post pics now...

dont see any redness.  Hubby finally got the bootie(neoprene from Crazy Farm) on..her...

 

 

so big on her.. tried to keep a "cut down non stick pad "on it...those other spots are where she was scratching herself on the red "milk carton" she took out the towel I had in there. She wants her  big mostly  cedar projecting, nest box back.. But I am not sure about it.. till get this scratching,peeling skin and feather pulling  fixed,with weigh loss....

   Hubby tied wrapped a heavy paper to the  plastic mild carton now. didnt realize she was scrapping her foot skin till I saw blood on coop floor.


Edited by ladyearth - 10/16/15 at 10:05am
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ANYONE?????

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Hi.

I don't know much about bumblefoot but that certainly doesn't look bad enough to make your chicken hunched up and sick. Having said that, it makes sense to treat it before it gets any worse. I would cut the vet wrap into narrow three quarter inch strips probably each about 6-8 inches long, to poultice a hens foot. Being a horse owner, I use cohesive bandages (vet wrap) a lot and it has to be one of my top 10 favourite inventions of the past century! Just great stuff!

I'm having problems understanding your posts but I get the impression your hen has feather loss and is acting unwell which is why you were bathing her and discovered the scab on her foot......

Could it just be that your hen is moulting?

At one and a half years old, this is the age when she will experience her first moult and it can make them feel pretty miserable. Bathing her is probably not a good idea if she is moulting, as it can be quite an uncomfortable process for them so minimal handling is best, especially once their pin feathers start to come through.
Perhaps look at supplementing her diet with more protein and nutrients to help her through it. There are special feeds and additives on the market formulated for this but giving her a few meat scraps and scrambled egg and a bit of natural yoghurt with her regular feed will help too.

When you say she has lost weight, is it not just that her feather loss is making her look less plump? Do monitor her condition by weighing her weekly if you are concerned about that, but I think you may be panicking unnecessarily and she is just going through the normal moulting process which is making her feel under the weather. It can take several weeks, maybe even a couple of months for them to look and feel themselves again.

I hope I'm right and it's nothing more serious. Apologies if you are familiar with the moulting process and I've misunderstood your level of experience.

Good luck with her. She obviously has a very caring owner.

Best wishes

Barbara
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I still think its microscopic mites... spryed them last week with Pyrthemim 10 Gordon's brand from TSC.. Gonna try" Adams Flea and tick "spray soon.. read about such on this forum... 

 So I dont really understand why so much skin dander on them... why peeling skin.. could it be some mineral defenciy?  why pulling out their feathers...

 heck i gave them Hubby letover bass carass meat yesterday. I bake them and carefully remove all the bones from it. then give them some . b me holding the small handled bow and rotate it to the frenzied group.....

also I am raising mealworms for them .. pluse hopefully they are eating bugs and worms thy find themselves....

Heck one of them found a small mouse when we moved their floor pallets of one of their many shelters   the rest of them chased her  till the mouse got away.. Poor Girlie.. just whined for quite a while...

 got to get to the root of this problem......

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