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post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by dc3085 View Post

So how do wild birds grow down feathers sufficient to survive in your constantly changing temps? Because they do. If your local birds are capable of it then birds that originated in northern china, southern russia, and the mountains of japan can surely handle it. 

Eta: I was also curious how the Canadian members are able to leave their birds in unheated coops with nothing more than plastic sheeting to block draft, and them still survive. It gets much colder in Canada than Chicago.

Sure healthy cold tolerant birds can handle the cold temps, never suggested they could not... But, fact is even with native animals that can technically handle the weather in their region, many still parish every winter due to exposure... In regards to birds that people keep not everyone limits themselves to birds suitable for their regions temps...

Think of it this way....

If someone proclaimed a blanket statement that dogs don't need a heated dog house and will be just fine in the winter without one just like feral or wild K9s are, is that a true or false statement?

I believe most would agree that it's neither true nor false and instead the answer fully depends on the breed of dog in question... The same applies to birds they are not all created equal...
post #12 of 16

But we're talking about cold hardy birds that come from a climate that can be very cold.  

 

Still wondering how the canadian members don't have trouble without heat lamps, but you're saying they're required in Illinois?

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by dc3085 View Post

But we're talking about cold hardy birds that come from a climate that can be very cold.

The breed of specific bird wasn't disclosed until after I had initially commented in this thread and I stand by my further comments as they were generalized and not breed specific but instead directed towards your claims that I find false...
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Still wondering how the canadian members don't have trouble without heat lamps, but you're saying they're required in Illinois?

I said no such thing, and never said heat was required in Illinois at least not for cold tolerant breeds, but there are cases when it's beneficial... In fact if you read my previous comments I thought i made it clear in my previous post, but I'll paste it here again...

"Generally heat is not advisable, and most will choose not to heat as the cons of heating in most cases outweigh any pros for the small coop owner... But there are instances and case when it can be beneficial if done safely and properly... "
Edited by MeepBeep - 9/27/15 at 4:33pm
post #14 of 16
I agree with what youre saying regarding otther species, i was just trying to clear that coturnix part up.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by MeepBeep View Post



If someone proclaimed a blanket statement that dogs don't need a heated dog house and will be just fine in the winter without one just like feral or wild K9s are, is that a true or false statement?

I believe most would agree that it's neither true nor false and instead the answer fully depends on the breed of dog in question... The same applies to birds they are not all created equal...

Actually breed has nothing to do with it. As long as the dog has shelter it does not need heating.

 

There were some people with 4 dogs. Three short-haired toy dogs and a Great Dane mix. The dogs were outside during a sudden storm, and the owners couldn't get back for a few days because of the icy roads. When they did, the little dogs were fine because they had a unheated dog house. The Dane could not fit in the house and froze to death.

 

So as long as an animal has shelter it will be fine.

 

As long as the birds have light and are not exposed to the wind they will continue laying. I don't believe in heating. It creates weak birds. If your birds can't do well in your climate, you need better birds...


Edited by HeritageGoose13 - 9/30/15 at 2:51pm
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by HeritageGoose13 View Post

Actually breed has nothing to do with it. As long as the dog has shelter it does not need heating.

I fully beg to differ, shelter alone will not guarantee survival nor fully alone protect from exposure...
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There were some people with 4 dogs. Three short-haired toy dogs and a Great Dane mix. The dogs were outside during a sudden storm, and the owners couldn't get back for a few days because of the icy roads. When they did, the little dogs were fine because they had a unheated dog house. The Dane could not fit in the house and froze to death.

A few days and a single example is far from proof that all breeds of dogs can survive winters in an unheated dog house... I have seen warm weather dogs get frostbite on their paws from just going on a walk with their owner for a short duration...
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So as long as an animal has shelter it will be fine.

I fully beg to disagree, are you honestly going to say a warm weather dog like a Chihuahua can be left outdoors in sub zero weather with nothing more than some shelter and experience no exposure damage or risk of health or even death?
Edited by MeepBeep - 9/30/15 at 3:33pm
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