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Hi!  I was told that these darlings were all pullets. 

The two darkest ones, one black and one now a deep brown/grey, were represented to be Black Copper Marans. 

The other three were said to be Orpingtons, buff, lavender and blue, respectively. 

Well, several weeks later (I guess these kids are about 6 weeks?  Maybe a bit older?) only the buff and lavender Orps seem to be familiar looking, so far as their purported breed is concerned, but with some room for doubt still, I feel. 

I am not at all sure that all of them they are pullets, either. 

So, anyone care to hazard a guess or five?  I appreciate all input!

 

As an aside, I adore their personalities, so whatever they are, they are safe with me.  :)

 

1)  The group

 

 

2) "Black Copper Maran"  A

 

3)  "Black Copper Maran" A

 

 

 

4)  "Black Copper Maran" A

 

 

 

5)  "Black Copper Maran" B

 

 

6)  "Black Copper Maran" B

 

 

 

7)  "Black Copper Maran"  B

 

 

8)  Lavender and Buff "Orpingtons"

 

 

9)  "Lavender Orpington"

 

 

 

10)  "Lavender Orpington"

 

 

 

11)  "Lavender Orpington"

 

 

12)  "Blue Orpington"

 

 

13)  "Blue Orpington"

 

 

 

14)  "Blue Orpington"

15)  "Buff Orpington"

 

 

 

16)  "Buff Orpington"

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I'm thinking that most or all of them are mixed breeds, or at least not the breeds they were sold as. All of those breeds should have single combs but a few appear to have rose combs. Rose combs are dominant to the recessive single combs so they can't just pop up. On the plus side, none look like cockerels yet. The "lavender orp" is the only one that I would say to keep a close eye on since it has a larger comb. However, it could still be a pullet. You'll know it's a cockerel if that comb gets much larger and pinker in the next couple weeks. 

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Hi!  I was told that these darlings were all pullets. 

The two darkest ones, one black and one now a deep brown/grey, were represented to be Black Copper Marans. 

The other three were said to be Orpingtons, buff, lavender and blue, respectively. 

Well, several weeks later (I guess these kids are about 6 weeks?  Maybe a bit older?) only the buff and lavender Orps seem to be familiar looking, so far as their purported breed is concerned, but with some room for doubt still, I feel. 

I am not at all sure that all of them they are pullets, either. 

So, anyone care to hazard a guess or five?  I appreciate all input!

 

As an aside, I adore their personalities, so whatever they are, they are safe with me.  :)

 

1)  The group

 

 

2) "Black Copper Maran"  A

 

3)  "Black Copper Maran" A

 

 

 

4)  "Black Copper Maran" A

 

This one appears to have a rose comb?

 

5)  "Black Copper Maran" B

 

 

6)  "Black Copper Maran" B

This one looks crested

 

 

7)  "Black Copper Maran"  B

 

 

8)  Lavender and Buff "Orpingtons"

 

 

9)  "Lavender Orpington"

 

 

 

10)  "Lavender Orpington"

 

 

 

11)  "Lavender Orpington"

 

 

12)  "Blue Orpington"

This one also appears to have a rose comb.

 

13)  "Blue Orpington"

 

 

 

14)  "Blue Orpington"

15)  "Buff Orpington"

 

 

 

16)  "Buff Orpington"

2 dogs, 6 cats, 40 chickens (australorps, wyandottes, and easter eggers), lots of tropical fish, and a toddler. 
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post #3 of 9

The "Buff" Orpington that is next to the "lavender" Orpington looks Red.

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My thoughts also. it will help to repost when they're a touch older, but I'm not seeing good representations of the breeds you were told.

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Rachel BB

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post #5 of 9

It's a bit hard to be sure with the lighting of these pictures, but I'm seeing a lot of yellow skin/legs for chicks that are supposed to be white skinned breeds. White skin is dominant, by the way.

post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thank you all so much! I expect that you are correct and that they are just nice little barnyard mixes. Sigh. Well, I have several such hens already, and they are all good layers. It's just that my husband, who was never a particular chicken fan before, has fallen in love with orpingtons. He really communicates with those girls! Too funny.

At any rate, I continue to be fascinated by the genetics of chickens. Perhaps it is just my limited education on the topic, but I am always surprised by which genes are dominant! In other ... Organisms, it seems to me, it is the darker (like eyes, skin and hair), straighter (like hair and smooth peas), that dominate. So, that frizzled feathers, rose combs and white skin should be dominant seems counter-intuitive to me. What other traits are dominant, if you wouldn't mind listing a few? Or is there already a thread that lists them?

Thank you again, very much, for your time!
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A few other fun dominant traits are feathered legs, blue egg shells, crests, and extra toes. smile.png
2 dogs, 6 cats, 40 chickens (australorps, wyandottes, and easter eggers), lots of tropical fish, and a toddler. 
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Pea combs are dominant over rose combs, I believe. And silver-type colors (black and white) are dominant over gold/red colors. Then there are dominant/recessive modifiers. There is the dominant blue dilute gene for black that causes Blue/Black/Splash, and the recessive blue dilute gene for black, commonly called Lavender or self-blue. There is also dominant white and recessive white, and certain breeds only have dominant white, some only have recessive white, and others have both. And I just recently learned that Buff Orpingtons can carry dominant white, but not express it.

Black is basically a pattern gene that completely covers the base color of either gold or silver. Dominant white will turn all the black to white and can allow the base color through.

 

Chicken genetics can get very complicated, very quickly.

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Just as a side note. They all look to be about 3 or 4 weeks old in the pictures. Are they old pictures? They just don't look 6 weeks old.

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"When raising chickens you must think like a chicken...NOT like a human!"

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/how-to-prepare-for-emergencies-diseases-injuries-before-they-happen 

 

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