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The magpies and kookaburras are killing my chicks. I lost a three day old chick, and a few week old turkey. What can I do to stop this, short of keeping my chicks in a cage till adult hood?

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CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY THAT ITS NOT HAWKS.   They would  already have cleaned your chick colony out.     I suggest to have a covered run so the chicks can grow out.      When they are larger, then they are safe from these lesser predators.   Consider keeping them in a tractor,     You can make one to be bird proof inexpensively. 

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Kookaburras are relentless. My hen chased them half a dozen times before he got one of her chicks. I have one covered run already, made after the kookaburra incident. The problem is I have 3 hens with chicks and 3 more hens broody, and none of them get along. :-/  

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I don't know how Your Government  punishes its citizens for eliminating songbirds.    Around here  you are only allowed to kill pigeons and during hunting season, ducks and pheasant are also allowed.  For an Eagle, Its  capital punishment.  Except if you are Native American and part of Religious ritual.    For a Hawk,  I think you get 25 years in a gulag.   and for song birds, they probably confiscate anything you own.     So my suggestion is a simple tractor  for the least amount of effort and money. 

Cavemanrich does not kill anything.   (flies and mosquitoes excluded. )

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At the risk of starting an other world war, I believe CMR is spreading info that is not true.  This information states that it is legal in the United States to kill predatory species (with the exemption of Bald and Golden Eagle) after non lethal methods of control have been tried, and after being issued a government permit.  Further, I've been told by game wardens that it is legal to kill song birds that are causing property damage. Killing a hawk without permit is a misdemeanor, certainly not leading to 25 years imprisonment!

 

 
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http://www.fws.gov/permits/mbpermits/birdbasics.html
 

As authorized by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service issues permits to qualified applicants for the following types of activities: falconry, raptor propagation, scientific collecting, special purposes (rehabilitation, educational, migratory game bird propagation, and salvage), take of depredating birds, taxidermy, and waterfowl sale and disposal. Migratory bird permit policy is developed by the Division of Migratory Bird Management and the permits themselves are issued by the Regional Bird Permit Offices. The regulations governing migratory bird permits can be found in 50 CFR part 13 (General Permit Procedures) and 50 CFR part 21 (Migratory Bird Permits).


http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/intrnltr/mbta/mbtandx.html
 

Hawk, Asiatic Sparrow, Accipiter gularis
  Broad-winged, Buteo platypterus
  Cooper's, Accipiter cooperii
  Ferruginous, Buteo regalis
  Gray, Buteo nitidus
  Harris', Parabuteo unicinctus
  Hawaiian, Buteo solitarius
  Red-shouldered, Buteo lineatus
  Red-tailed, Buteo jamaicensis
  Rough-legged, Buteo lagopus
  Sharp-shinned, Accipiter striatus
  Short-tailed, Buteo brachyurus
  Swainson's, Buteo swainsoni
  White-tailed, Buteo albicaudatus
  Zone-tailed, Buteo albonotatus


Owl, Barn (=Barn-Owl, Common), Tyto alba
  Barred, Strix varia
  Boreal, Aegolius funereus
  Burrowing, Speotyto (=Athene) cunicularia
  Elf, Micrathene whitneyi
  Flammulated, Otus flammeolus
  Great Gray, Strix nebulosa
  Great Horned, Bubo virginianus
  Hawk (=Hawk-Owl, Northern), Surnia ulula
  Long-eared, Asio otus
  Northern Saw-whet, Aegolius acadicus
  Short-eared, Asio flammeus
  Snowy, Nyctea scandiaca
  Spotted, Strix occidentalis


http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-13.pdf
 

No permit is required merely to scare or herd
depredating migratory birds other than endangered or threatened species and bald or golden eagles. You should apply for a
depredation permit only after non-lethal management proves unsuccessful. If a permit is issued, you will be expected to continue
to integrate non-lethal techniques when implementing any lethal measures.

 

Please provide the following information:
1. List the species of migratory birds causing the depredation problem and estimate the number of each involved.
2. Provide the exact location of the property or properties where the control activity would be conducted (State, county, and physical
address of the specific site).
3. Description of damage.
(a) Describe the specific migratory bird damage or injury you are experiencing.
(b) How long has it been occurring (e.g., the number of years)?
(c) What times or seasons of the year does it occur?
(d) Describe any human health and safety hazards involved.
(e) Provide details such as types of crops destroyed, human injuries sustained, property damage incurred, and health and safety
hazards created.
4. Describe the extent of the damage and estimate the economic loss suffered as a result, such as percentage of acres of crop and
dollar loss, cost to replace damaged property, or cost of injuries.
5. Describe the nonlethal measures you have taken to control or eliminate the problem, including how long (e.g., a week, month,
year(s)) and how often they have been conducted. List the techniques you have tried, such as harassment (e.g., horns,
pyrotechnics, propane cannons), habitat management (e.g., vegetative barriers, longer grass management, fencing), cultural
practices (e.g., crop selection and placement, management of pets and feeding schedules), or no feeding policies.
6. Proposed actions.
(a) What actions are you proposing to take to alleviate the problem (e.g., kill, eliminate nesting, trap and relocate)?
(b) Describe the method you propose (e.g., shoot; addle, oil, destroy eggs; trap and relocate; trap and donate birds to a food
processing center).
(c) If you propose to trap birds, describe the method that will be used and your (or your agents) experience with the method.
7. What long-term measures do you plan to take to eliminate the problem?

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Back to the poster from Australia loosing chicks to a native bird:  Your best bet is to protect the chicks until they are too big to be taken by the birds.  I hang CD's around my coop, and the moving reflections of light seem to help a bit in terms of giving raptors something to think about before swooping in to tear an other one of my birds to shreds.

 

Jesus Christ is my pilot.

My husband of 41 years is my best friend and co-pilot.

Enjoying my gardens.  My flock are my garden helpers.

Breeding a winter hearty flock with small combs and colored eggs.

Favorite breeds:  Dominique and EE.  Hatching addict.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1084432/egg-gender-selection-survey

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-laz...

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Jesus Christ is my pilot.

My husband of 41 years is my best friend and co-pilot.

Enjoying my gardens.  My flock are my garden helpers.

Breeding a winter hearty flock with small combs and colored eggs.

Favorite breeds:  Dominique and EE.  Hatching addict.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1084432/egg-gender-selection-survey

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-laz...

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post #6 of 7
It might just be me, but that last quote went haywire! Lol...

Anyway, there are obtainable permits(mostly relocation) for livestock defense, but I do see where cavemanrich states that you could get 25 years for killing a hawk, so I must have missed something...

Either way, I agree that a covered tractor is about the ONLY option, other than calling in more furbearing predators to eat the kookaburras.. I'm totally kidding, don't do THAT wink.png
Edited by shortgrass - 10/31/15 at 12:06am
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/990759/chickens-in-permaculture

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1008185/lets-talk-relocation

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http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/990759/chickens-in-permaculture

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1008185/lets-talk-relocation

3rd generation of Colorado ranchers, raising organic alfalfa, corn, Red Angus cattle, Suffolk sheep and of course, chickens! Comitted to a lifetime of health without chemicals, I am entirely dependent on what God has given me to nurture soil, plant, and animal. Sharing...
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post #7 of 7

Setting up an uncovered pen of chicks would the equivalent of baiting the birds!

 

I would suggest avian netting over the pen, if that doesn't work than contact your local game warden and or wildlife department and ask them for advice.  Personally if I knew a neighbor was putting chicks in an open area and then shooting any birds of prey that came by I would call the authorities ASAP and report them!

 

I live in an area with hawks, owls, coyotes, raccoons, possum, and a ton of different snakes.  When I chose to get chickens I took responsibility for their safety and that meant a safe hen house and a large fenced run covered with $50 of avian netting.


Edited by Sonya9 - 10/31/15 at 4:24am
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