INCUBATING w/FRIENDS! w/Sally Sunshine Shipped Eggs No problem!

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wesgef9 said:
Hello, I have been on here on and off to ask qustions from the most knowledgeable people when it comes to hatching eggs. (Sorry for bad grammar I don't feel like commas and periods and fighting auto correct lol) I have a call duck egg in the incubator right now and it it's parents are show quality meaning they have small beaks. The most exsperinsed hatchet of this quality of calls recently moved to the other side of the country and another I know is successful due to his ability to assist in hatching but I want to be very careful as this duckling would mean a lot if it hatched. I will assist if nessary but I wan to avoid it and in this very long and irrelevant story the qustion is are ducks the same on chickens (other than dates) when It comes down to assisted hatching? And can someone post a thread about assisting in a hatch?
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@wesgef9

Step by Step Guide to ASSISTED Hatching
DUCKS​

BOOKMARK THIS NOTES SECTION HERE https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/incubating-w-friends-helpful-notes-links-informational-post-links
Pensmaster said:
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MommaHen2Four said:
Is it bad that all I want to do is stay in bed today? Heat, kids, birthday party yesterday for husband and son, week trip to Florida and back (still haven't recovered from that) oh and did I say heat! I know everyone is experiencing this heat bake and I hope drinking plenty of water. I just want to curl up on my bed and sleep all day.
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I am thinking I need to go back to bed

ThIsafricanhome said:
Please can someone tell me more about the saddle air sacks or whatever they are called? I think I have some with that - all shipped eggs - and I would love more info please!! I made a HUGE painful mistake of thinking an egg that had a very odd shapped air sack wasnt viable a few days ago and it had been! Still brings me to tears.
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I'd never heard of this before and NEVER want to make that mistake again. Thanks,
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@ThIsafricanhome



SHIPPED EGGS & Malpositions!
BELOW ARE "SADDLE" SHAPED AIR CELLS

SADDLE SHAPED AIR CELLS are very COMMON with shipped eggs!​
Saddle shaped is when ​

one or both sides have a large "dip" in the air cell.​

A lot of times with saddle shaped cells the chick doesn’t position correct for hatching and their feet can easily get stuck behind their head and “smoosh” the chick so they can’t move, it can also force the yolk sack and everything more north in the shell.... Keep a close eye on these eggs and its VERY important to pencil mark Air cells! Issues Step by Step Guide to ASSISTED Hatching​

saddles below
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Jiggly eggs are when the air cell​

has a small amount of movement at the top!​




UNDERSTANDING what goes WRONG with SHIPPED EGGS
The yolk of an egg is held in place on each end by what is called Chalaza. These are delicate cords that keep the yolk centered in the egg. When you crack open an egg, you notice a white stringy thing on the yolk, this is the Chalaza. When eggs are shipped they encounter postal handlers that toss the packages, sorting machinery, bumpy vehicle rides, temperature changes and possibly X-ray Machines! So by the time the eggs get to you they are pretty much scrambled inside. So if you are going to buy eggs and have them shipped to you, be aware that the viability drops TREMENDOUSLY. There are rare instances when they ALL arrive safely but it is always a gamble.
See Egg anatomy here http://www.geauga4h.org/poultry/egg_parts.htm



~ CONCLUSION ~
Shipped Eggs How & When to Set!

"Settle" & Setting of eggs
Shipped eggs need to be left to warm to room temperature
& need to settle B4 adding to the incubator!
This "settle" time will vary depending on the age of the eggs, DO NOT TURN THEM!!
if the air cells are large they are already getting old! Most shipped eggs are getting old!
Settle 6 hours and then set (begin incubation) if they are getting old and have large air cells. But continue to read below for Rolling, Ruptured, Jiggly Air cell info!
If Eggs are FRESH you can settle for 12-24 hours.
REMINDER~ Never Set COLD eggs in the incubator.

EGGS WILL NEED DIFFERENT TREATMENTS Should YOU have BAD AIR CELLS......


If an egg has a NORMAL INTACT AIR CELL:
Normal air cell eggs, settle 12-24 hrs if FRESH, IF OLD 6 hours and
then begin to incubate these upright and you may begin turning, you may lay horizontal or upright for hatching. Most people like to hatch upright for shipped eggs.
PLEASE PLEASE READ THE TURNING SECTION of this article FIRST!
If you can turn more than 3x a day PLEASE PLEASE turn them!! 3 is minimum amount!


For ROLLING AIR CELLS:
(cells no longer at fat end of the egg but like a bubble level on the long side, see above video)
Follow SETTLING EGGS ABOVE DO NOT TURN
Set in incubator Upright/AIR CELL UP/FAT END UP and
do not turn for 3 days once set in the bator AT LEAST!
CANDLE ONLY FROM ABOVE LEAVE THEM IN THE BATOR DURING CANDLE
If after 3 days and you have embryo growth and the air cell is still completely loose, do not turn another 24 hours.


For detached, Jiggly or disrupted air cells:
(see above for descriptions and images)
If air cells are Saddle shaped, Detached/Loose, or Jiggly follow above settle times
and set in the incubator and don't turn for at least 36/48 HOURS
After that time, turn on the turner or begin with the gentle turning side to side
or you can turn by hand in the carton by simply tilting side to side, see image below.​

Below image are Eggs in A Carton with Bottoms cut out for Ventilation ​




Below image of Turning damaged air cell Shipped Eggs, just lean to opposite side.





TREATMENT AT LOCKDOWN.......
Shipped eggs that have had loose air cells or saddle air cells,
should be hatched upright but tilted just enough so that the lowest dip is somewhat upright, so if they have fluid in the air cell it may prevent drowning).​

MARKING AIR CELLS DAY 18, DRAW DOWN, INTERNAL PIP, EXTERNAL PIP, and ZIPPING post #35770
Pips and ZIPS ARE NOT THE SAME PATIENCE is a MUST!


LOCKDOWN, DAY 18, CANDLES, PIPS, ZIPS
DAY 18 CANDLE IMAGES/VIDEOS: post #41176
FIVE VIDEOS show Draw Down and Internals post #44701
DAY 18 DIS CANDLES post #43401
DONT PICK THE PIPS! post #24611
TIMELINE of a silky HATCHING! NOTE HOW LONG IT TOOK FROM INTERNAL TO ZIPPING post #33770
TIMELINE OF A POLISH HATCHING QUICK HATCHOUT! post #46572
VIDEO of zip and hatch AT :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyO3YwrsJPg
DO my Air cells look ok Day 18? post #31971
DAY 18 HOW DO I LOCKDOWN, WHAT HUMIDITY, do I hatch horizontal OR Upright? post #32948
LOWERING TEMPS lockdown IS NOT NECESSARY/AIDs THE HATCHING PROCESS post #2898
Hatching Behavior & How the chick Comes out of the Shell post #34865
YES a chick can chirp when its not pipped internally! post #20506
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First and foremost, @Sally Sunshine for her excellent shipped egg information,
such that I'm getting live birds hatching from this mess:
Kristins horribly shipped eggs and hatch post #57321


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CRACKED EXPENSIVE IMPORTANT EGGS
If you do receive a cracked egg and it’s an expensive egg you can try to hatch it, but beware of bacterial explosion and good possibility of ruining other eggs. It is possible to hatch a cracked egg by sealing the crack with candle wax/crayon wax or finger nail polish. Try to place the egg in a cup or protected place well away from other eggs. If viable to hatch, keep a close eye on where the pip mark will be in case the chick cant get through a fixed area.




REMINDER THAT YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO REIMBURSEMENT
OF DAMAGED SHIPPED EGGS
SEE LINKS FOR INFO! https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/the-truth-about-insuring-hatching-eggs
http://www.jordan-farm.com/blog/

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So with the saddle shaped aircells, they are supposed to be hatched upright. What if I have some in the bator at this moment that are hatching and have already pipped while laying on their side?! Should I still move them upright at this point or leave them be?
 
I would let them at this point, you will be ok if they are not malpositioned... good luck. sorry its windy and I keep loosing my internet
 
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