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Well, in the civilized world it's afternoon, but being in a place with very little daylight this time of year, I can see where you'd be confused
By mornin i mean i just got up. Its almost 1PM
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Originally Posted by HenHoneyGirl
AFTER WORMING IMAGES

I got Panacur equine dewormer, How should I administer it to her?

Poultry Body Weights average body weights of various exhibition poultry. https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/poultry-body-weights

# 10% Fenbendazole    Liquid = 100mg/ml and Paste = 100mg/gram

per Kathy

Buy some Safeguard liquid for goats or Safeguard/Panacur paste for horses. The dose I use is 0.23 ml per pound orally for five consecutive days.

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Okay, trying to process the information here. So 0.23 ml per pound orally for 5 days, by orally is that just squirted into her mouth or dissolved in water? And how do I calculated 0.23 ml? It doesn't say anything on the package as far as measurements, it's just 25 grams total, I though I had a syringe that might tell me but I can't find it.

I'm gonna guess that your hen weighs ~5 pounds. Dose for treating all chicken worms is 50mg/kg orally for five consecutive days. Math is weight of bird in pound, divide by 2.2, times 50, divide by 100 = number of ml to give.

5 / 2.2 x 50 / 100 = 1.136, so round up to 1.15 ml.

A 25 gram tube = 25 ml.

Chickens and dogs get 50mg/kg for several days, horses, goats and cows get just 5mg/kg.

-Kathy

Fenbendazole paste is not water soluble, it must be given orally!

It must be given orally, and the dose is *much* more than a pea size amount. A pea size amount has only 25 mg.

From left to right:

Small = 10mg ( .1cc) = enough for a 200 gram (7 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg

Medium = 25mg (.25cc) = enough for a 500 gram (17 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg

Large = 50mg ( .5cc) = enough for a 1000 gram (35 ounce) bird at 50mg/kg

50 mg/kg for 5 days is what my vets and other vets have recommended.

She needs 115 mg, which is 1.15 ml or about 4 of the medium sized peas for 5 consecutive days if you want to treat for all worms.

1.15 ml

Everyone, I like Dawg53 a lot, but the recommendation of 3 cc in the water is unlikely to treat any worms. Same is true for the infamous "pea size" amount. A five pound hen should get ~115 mg, not 25 mg.

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Originally Posted by casportpony

I've only ever seen one or two in poultry poop, or huge amounts like that in necropsy pictures. Not sure what I would do if I found a pile like that in my coop. I'd worm, just don't know if I'd use Safeguard or pyrantel pamoate... and I would worm knowing that worming might actually kill the bird. Would probably also give fluids either orally or subcutaneously if it were one of my beloved peafowl or turkeys.

-Kathy
how much safeguard? It is one of the ms birds so sell or die it is leaving. I was told to worm twice a year and could start in the spring since they were all young this last fall. Anyone who sees this no how wrong that advice was.

If she were mine and I decided to use Safeguard I think I would give 0.23ml per pound for five days in a row, that will treat all worms, but if you want to treat just the large roundworms, give it once and repeat in 10 days.

-Kathy

"fenbenSafeguard Will treat large roundworms, cecal worms, capillary worms, gape worms, gizzard worms, possible some species of tape worms". It will not treat eye worms, might not treat oviduct flukes

## Internal parasites (endoparasites, worms, helminths)

### Roundworms (nematodes)

• Acuaria spp ~ Dispharynx ~ Synhimanthus spp. \$Gizzard worms. Gizzard, esophagus and proventriculus. Can be a problem in endemic regions, mainly in birds kept outdoors.
• Ascaridia spp\$\$\$Chicken roundworms. Small intestine. A serious problem worldwide, also in confined operations.
• Capillaria spp. \$\$Hairworms. Crop, esophagus, small intestine, large intestine.
• Heterakis spp\$\$\$\$. Cecal worms. Cecum. Probably the most threatening worms in all kind of poultry operations worldwide.
• Oxyspirura spp. \$. Fowl eyeworms. Eyes. Usually a secondary problem in individual birds kept outdoors.
• Strongyloides spp. \$\$Threadworms, pinworms. Small intestine. Can be a serious problem worldwide.
• Subulura spp. \$. Cecum and small intestine. A secondary problem in birds kept outdoors worldwide.
• Syngamus trachea. \$\$. Gapeworms. Trachea, bronchi. A serious problem in birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
• Tetrameres spp. \$. Proventriculus and esophagus. Can be a problem in endemic regions, mainly in outdoor opertaions.

### Tapeworms (cestodes)

• Amoebotaenia cuneata = sphenoides\$. Small intestine. Usually a secondary issue in most poultry operations
• Choanotaenia infundibulum\$. Small intestine. Usually not a major issue in modern poultry operations.
• Davainea proglottina. \$. Minute tapeworms. Small intestine. Can be a problem in birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
• Raillietina spp. \$\$. Small intestine. The most frequent tapeworm in poultry, however normally not a major problem.

### Flukes (trematodes, flatworms)

• Prosthogonimus spp. \$. Oviduct flukes. Oviduct, bursa of Fabricius. Can be a serious threat for birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.

Capillary worms

This chick had 3 cc Safeguard in the water:

Those are roundworms, the easiest of all the worms to kill.

-Kathy

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Originally Posted by HenHoneyGirl

Okay, so I put a pea sized amount of wormer in some water it and it dissolved pretty good, still a couple of small flakes that I couldn't break up but she's drinking it, hopefully she'll get enough in her that it will help and she'll want to eat more than meal worms and scraps from one of our chickens we're roasting tonight. I'll give her a bit more tomorrow maybe if I can tempt her to eat.

You need to give her 1.15 ml orally (4-5 pea size amounts), not in the water.

-Kathy

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http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/744734/worming-with-horse-wormer/0_20
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Originally Posted by casportpony

Clear tote, that's a great idea!

The dosage measurements are for 10% paste. ie there is 100mg of active ingredient for 1g (1000mg) of paste.

So...

0.5cc of paste ~= 0.5g of paste

0.5g of paste = 500mg of paste

500mg of (10%) paste contains 50mg of active ingredient

A dosage of 50mg active ingredient per 1kg body weight

=500mg of (10%) paste per 1kg body weight

=0.5g of paste per 1kg body weight

=0.5cc of paste per 1kg body weight
If your bird weighs 2kg then you would need 1cc (or 1g) of paste.

-Kathy
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Paste or liquid, 1ml of either has 100mg of fenbendazole. The dose I use for roundworms and cecal worms is 50mg/kg (.5ml per kg) once by mouth, repeat in 10 days. For capillary worms I give the same amount 3-5 days in a row, but still looking for info on dosing again in 10 days.

From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook - 7th Edition

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Also have this one:

Panacur is not licensed for use in Poultry in the UK. It is a wormer that is commonly used for cats and dogs as well as cattle.

If you take your chickens to the vets for worming they may be given Panacur. It is a broad spectrum wormer that many vets will prescribe for poultry, often because they don’t stock Flubenvet but have Panacur on the shelf.

Used to treat: Large roundworm, caecal worm, gapeworm, hairworm and gizzard worm in poultry and the Taenia species of tapeworm.

Dosage: Varies according to the vet’s advice. Usually between 10mg and 50mg per Kg of weight. Repeated 7 to 10 days later.
Active ingredient: Fenbendazole.
Egg withdrawal for chickens: Intervet (who make Panacur) advised 7 days following the last day of treatment.
Slaughtering for meat for human consumption: 7 days after the last treatment
Length of treatment: 7 to 10 days (dosage is repeated after 7 to 10 days).

Roundworm

Cecal worm

Capillary worms

Gapeworm

Fenbendazole is approved in the USA for use in growing turkeys at the rate of 14.5 g/ton of feed (16 ppm), fed continuously as the sole ration for 6 days for the removal of Ascaridia dissimilis and Heterakis gallinarum. No withdrawal time is required. One study indicates a possible negative effect on sperm quality by the drug. It has been suggested that an alternative drug be used for treatment of breeding toms or that the sperm number and frequency of artificial inseminations be increased. Fenbendazole is not approved for use in other poultry in the USA but is effective against Ascaris when administered once at 10–50 mg/kg; if needed the treatment can be repeated after 10 days. At 10–50 mg/kg, fenbendazole when administered daily over 5 days is effective against Capillaria. Fenbendazole is also efffective against other nematodes when administered at 10–50 mg/kg/day for 3–5 days or as a single dosage of 20–100 mg/kg, or added to the drinking water at 125 mg/L for 5 days or to the feed at 100 mg/kg. Fenbendazole should not be administered during molt, because it may interfere with feather regrowth.

Fenbendazole at 20 mg/kg for 3–4 days effectively removes gapeworms in pheasants. Toxicity has been reported in pigeons that received fenbendazole at the rate of 30 mg/kg for 5 days. Thiabendazole administered at 0.05% in the feed continuously for 2 wk can be used for treatment of gapeworms in pheasants, and when given continuously for ≥4 days is said to help prevent and control infections. Withdrawal of 21 days is required for meat consumption; specific precautions should be observed in feeds containing bentonite. Tetramisole at 3.6 mg/kg for 3 consecutive days in the drinking water removes gapeworms. Poultry treated while larvae are migrating in the body develop immunity to gapeworms, even though therapy may abort larval migration. Levamisole fed at a level of 0.04% for 2 days or at 2 g/gal. drinking water for 1 day each month has proved to be an effective control in game birds. Kiwis are reported to be acutely sensitive to levamisole at doses well within the safe range for domesticated poultry. Mebendazole fed prophylactically at 64 ppm or curatively at 125 ppm is effective in turkey poults. Cambendazole provided control when given in three treatments of 50 mg/kg for chickens and 20 mg/kg for turkeys. Albendazole administered as a single oral suspension (5 mg/kg bird weight) was reported effective against A galli, H gallinarum, and C obsignata. The drug also has been reported effective against cestodes if administered at 20 mg/kg. There are no published withdrawal times. Nitarsone at 170 g/ton (0.01875%) of feed has been reported to reduce A dissimilis fecundity and worm burden in chickens and turkeys.

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/poultry/helminthiasis/overview_of_helminthiasis_in_poultry.html

# Liquid = 100mg/ml and Paste = 100mg/gram

-Kathy

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ROUNDWORMS

POOP ALL About CHICKEN POOP sometimes it is runny clear a must read!  post #51529

Found this in coop. The poo chart is close to good and bad. Is this normal? Pic of same poo.

And

The poop page, that chat allotment one, is flawed... IMO, foamy poops are never normal. Could be worms, coccidia or something else. Do you know which one did it?

-Kathy

Water soluble 20% fenbendazole (Safeguard) - 200mg/ml - Available in Europe?

http://fs-1.5mpublishing.com/images/MSD/PDF/PAP%20PBulletin%20v8c%20FINAL.pdf

Edited by Sally Sunshine - 2/16/16 at 9:58am

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Originally Posted by lozerface79

By mornin i mean i just got up. Its almost 1PM

You should be ashamed of yourself

3 Little Red Hens (RSL),1 big BCM rooster , & a raft of their youngin's

Not but 3 kinds of snakes I'm afraid of; big ones, little ones, and live ones

Have Crappie rod, will travel

Call me Ken,Whites, Whitey, or Red Dog; just don't call me late for supper

3 Little Red Hens (RSL),1 big BCM rooster , & a raft of their youngin's

Not but 3 kinds of snakes I'm afraid of; big ones, little ones, and live ones

Have Crappie rod, will travel

Call me Ken,Whites, Whitey, or Red Dog; just don't call me late for supper

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Originally Posted by Sally Sunshine

We must have been posting at the same time and I missed this!  @ChickenChick231
welcome and I am sorry!   Kids enjoy incubation TONS!!  ELavs!! good for you they are beautiful birds!!

prolonged hatch means low bator temps and or high humidity

did you calibrate your thermo/hygros?  what bator and fan or no fan?

good grief and then I fix it to 5  and leave the 3  so you now have a bday on 3/53    I swear I am a knucklehead of late!!

I'm using an incubator that my husband built me off of one of the homemade threads here on backyard chickens. It has worked fine for quite a few silkies but we have never had any luck with the orps. He installed an "auto shut off" so when the temperature gets to be 99, it shuts off until it does back down, I'm wondering if maybe the thermostat is placed to close to the heat source however as I look over my chart data, or temps seem consistent in ranging about 97. The fan is on constantly which can be tricky when trying to increase the humidity during lockdown, however I have found putting a wet rag over the fan and adding another water source has made it reach our 65% goal.
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You should be ashamed of yourself
I guess i am if ashamed feels amazing and rested
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Originally Posted by Studio Chick

This may have been asked, I haven't read all the way through this morning.  Did you count the day you set them as day zero?  When I was hatching my English Orps, they would sometime wait til late day 21, and early 22.  Good luck!  You are in the right place, there are a lot of good people here with a lot of knowledge.

Yes, I have used the "entry day" as I like to call it as zero and start on the next day, I usually add them late afternoon. Well, here is to hoping, I guess only time will tell. Thanks!

Number three was still drying.
The pip with yellow was actually a shell fragment from number two, that was turning colors as it dried.
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Number three was still drying.
The pip with yellow was actually a shell fragment from number two, that was turning colors as it dried.

What a little doll baby.....ya done good MC

3 Little Red Hens (RSL),1 big BCM rooster , & a raft of their youngin's

Not but 3 kinds of snakes I'm afraid of; big ones, little ones, and live ones

Have Crappie rod, will travel

Call me Ken,Whites, Whitey, or Red Dog; just don't call me late for supper

3 Little Red Hens (RSL),1 big BCM rooster , & a raft of their youngin's

Not but 3 kinds of snakes I'm afraid of; big ones, little ones, and live ones

Have Crappie rod, will travel

Call me Ken,Whites, Whitey, or Red Dog; just don't call me late for supper

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Originally Posted by MotorcycleChick

Number three was still drying.
The pip with yellow was actually a shell fragment from number two, that was turning colors as it dried.
Wait, number 3 is a little big for a chicken..
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Originally Posted by MotorcycleChick

Number three was still drying.

The pip with yellow was actually a shell fragment from number two, that was turning colors as it dried.
What a little doll baby.....ya done good MC
Thank you
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