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I'm sorry.  Fact is the real version, a gorgeous printed, hard bound, beautifully colored illustrations, etc is only around $60.  So sorry these opportunistic swindlers are out there, but they are.  

 

 

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post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Fred's Hens View Post
 


I'm sorry.  Fact is the real version, a gorgeous printed, hard bound, beautifully colored illustrations, etc is only around $60.  So sorry these opportunistic swindlers are out there, but they are.  

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I set fire to the rain! Watch it pour as I, touched your face. Well it burn while I cried, because I heard it screaming out your name. And I threw us into flames. I knew that was the last time, the last time...I set fire to the rain! -Adele

 

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post #13 of 19
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I have been waiting for weeks for my copy of the standard of perfection to arrive. It got here today and although it was published in 2012, it is the 1905 edition!! It said that no where on the ad. I have been waiting to choose my culls based on the arrival of this book. I have lavender Orps and blr wyandottes- neither of these colours is even in here. Neither are Marans, Australorps, cream legbars. What should I do? It just snowed last night, I really don't want to wait another month! I am so frustrated! Thanks

Welcome to the world of  reprinters. A special kind of deceiver. Was it by Nabu Press? The APA never relinquished their copyright to the SOP ;)  . No one can reprint any copy of any age legally. Plus many of these old reprint are mostly uncorrected Optical Character Recognition (OCR) copies and have a lot of uncorrected errors in them from the scanning.  Oh well, now you are sadder and wiser. Next time you need obscure or rare poultry lit, just ask me. I love defeating these guys and finding such lit for folk for free. And I am very good at it.

 Best,

 Karen


Edited by 3riverschick - 11/5/15 at 9:06pm

Walt Boese strain and Tewart flock of Pure English  Light Sussex

My flock now resides with Farmer Karl in PA.   

  I know he will do well by them. Karl is a knowing poultry man.

RIP Hellbender, my friend. Good friend, good heart, gone too soon.

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Walt Boese strain and Tewart flock of Pure English  Light Sussex

My flock now resides with Farmer Karl in PA.   

  I know he will do well by them. Karl is a knowing poultry man.

RIP Hellbender, my friend. Good friend, good heart, gone too soon.

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post #14 of 19

I would contact Amazon.  They are pretty reasonable when it comes to returns and care very much about their reputation.  They may give a refund and be able stop the seller from doing it to somebody else.  It's worth a try anyway.

 

Also there may be breed clubs for the unrecognized breeds.  Those clubs may have their own standard to go by. Facebook or their own site would be a good place to start.


Edited by Ifish - 11/6/15 at 5:19am
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post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by Ifish View Post
 

I would contact Amazon.  They are pretty reasonable when it comes to returns and care very much about their reputation.  They may give a refund and be able stop the seller from doing it to somebody else.  It's worth a try anyway.

 

Also there may be breed clubs for the unrecognized breeds.  Those clubs may have their own standard to go by. Facebook or their own site would be a good place to start.

I agree.

I set fire to the rain! Watch it pour as I, touched your face. Well it burn while I cried, because I heard it screaming out your name. And I threw us into flames. I knew that was the last time, the last time...I set fire to the rain! -Adele

 

Look at my flock page! http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/bantamfan4lifes-flock

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I set fire to the rain! Watch it pour as I, touched your face. Well it burn while I cried, because I heard it screaming out your name. And I threw us into flames. I knew that was the last time, the last time...I set fire to the rain! -Adele

 

Look at my flock page! http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/bantamfan4lifes-flock

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post #16 of 19

I looked for the American Poultry Association SOP on Amazon and nothing came up.  Do you have a link to the specific seller?  IF the listing was for a genuine SOP and you received a reproduction, or you received the wrong year publication than what was listed, then you can get your money back.  Just contact your credit card company, or pay pal, however you paid for it  Most credit cards require that you contact them within 90 days of when the charge was posted, and I think that pay pal requires that you contact them within 45 days.  Any product (not service) that is unsatisfactory for a valid reason, not just buyers regret, is protected when purchased with a credit card or pay pal.  If you contact the credit card company that you paid with, or pay pal, you can request that the charges be reversed by filing a "disputed charge" form.  They will contact the seller and ask them to make it right.  If the seller refuses then the card company will reverse the charge as a credit on your account.  You do not need to pay the charges while the item is in dispute.  Usually you will be required to send the unacceptable item back to the seller.

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post #17 of 19

Hi Sydney,

 You can find these poor OCR copies if you check http://www.addall.com   or http://www.bookfinder.com/  . Some of these companies do correct the errors in their OCR's . Then again some do not. usually you can tell the ones who don't because the fine print will read something like "small imperfections in text may appear due to scanning" or something like that. In any case, anyone other than APA copying the SOP text without permission is doing it illegally. And I can just about assure you that these folk reprinting the whole of old SOP's do not have the blessing of the APA.

 

 Best,

 Karen

 ha, ha, ha! :gig  look at this! copies of the 2001 SOP and for way more than it costs to buy the current 2010 copy for only59.99 plus shipping!   http://www.addall.com/New/compare.cgi?dispCurr=USD&id=108608&isbn=9789991085180&location=10000&thetime=20151106220313&author=&title=&state=AK

Oh that's just really funny!!  :lau 

 

Now take a look at all these hits on the SOP.

http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac=sl&st=sl&ref=bf_s2_a1_t3_3&qi=GU7YvMkj5Fw,Cv4jJuHPQ7qnhP4_1446876481_1:183:1588&bq=author%3Damerican%2520poultry%2520association%26title%3Damerican%2520standard%2520of%2520perfection

 If they are not published by the American Poultry Association, they are reprints, and illegal reprints. The APA does not have other companies publish the SOP for them. The cite should always reference APA as the publisher.


Edited by 3riverschick - 11/6/15 at 10:12pm

Walt Boese strain and Tewart flock of Pure English  Light Sussex

My flock now resides with Farmer Karl in PA.   

  I know he will do well by them. Karl is a knowing poultry man.

RIP Hellbender, my friend. Good friend, good heart, gone too soon.

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Walt Boese strain and Tewart flock of Pure English  Light Sussex

My flock now resides with Farmer Karl in PA.   

  I know he will do well by them. Karl is a knowing poultry man.

RIP Hellbender, my friend. Good friend, good heart, gone too soon.

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post #18 of 19

Did I read the link right?  The prices ranged from $75 to over $850 for the 2001 version?  WOW!!!  That's quite a markup.

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Did I read the link right?  The prices ranged from $75 to over $850 for the 2001 version?  WOW!!!  That's quite a markup.

The book world is odd that way. there is a certain clientele which will pay the 850. for that book if it is bought from the "right" bookseller. In other words, 2 booksellers can have the same book with the same attributes. One  will have a long literary legacy of high quality rares book sold to that clientele and get 850. The other will be the bookstore down the street and he will get 400. Or maybe best to sell his book to the other high society dealer who will the sell it for 850.

 Best

 Karen

 My specialty in the book world is to find the rare lit at a low price and sell as high as I can. It's all about knowing the right people.

I am very good at it. If you ever need rare lit, give me a holler.  I have 18 years of very successful experience. Once bagged a  archive of 63 document file boxes of lit. What a treasure it was to read and study. Then I resold it. After first finding there was a duplicate archive at the Ohio State Archive.


Edited by 3riverschick - 11/8/15 at 1:10pm

Walt Boese strain and Tewart flock of Pure English  Light Sussex

My flock now resides with Farmer Karl in PA.   

  I know he will do well by them. Karl is a knowing poultry man.

RIP Hellbender, my friend. Good friend, good heart, gone too soon.

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Walt Boese strain and Tewart flock of Pure English  Light Sussex

My flock now resides with Farmer Karl in PA.   

  I know he will do well by them. Karl is a knowing poultry man.

RIP Hellbender, my friend. Good friend, good heart, gone too soon.

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