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A five pound bird should get 45 mg albendazole for it to be effective when treating more than roundworms. Given as shown on the bottle is not enough. 

 

-Kathy

 

-Kathy


OK Kathy we have already been through this.  LOL

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post #52 of 59
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A five pound bird should get 45 mg albendazole for it to be effective when treating more than roundworms. Given as shown on the bottle is not enough. 

 

-Kathy

 

-Kathy


OK Kathy we have already been through this.  LOL

 

Just trying to teach people that different sized birds need different amounts of medication and that many sites have dosing errors on the sites and/or on their products. Twin City Poultry and Durvet are two others with major dosing errors.

 

-Kathy


Edited by casportpony - 11/23/15 at 2:04pm
post #53 of 59

@LadyHayleyHalo1     Hows your gander doing today? 

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post #54 of 59
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Just trying to teach people that different sized birds need different amounts of medication and that many sites have dosing errors on the sites and/or on their products. Twin City Poultry and Durvet are two others with major dosing errors.

 

-Kathy

and I get that but I guess what your not understanding, the instructions I gave I specifically said this was for My Chicken, that you would need to know the weight of the animal.

 

If you take your Great Dane into a vet, it's Not going to have the SAME dose as if I took mine jack russel into the Vet for the same problem. So it's not an error, it's for the specific weight of the animal... and right now I gave that dose for a Bantam chicken NOT for a goose or a duck etc.  Of course the Dose is going to be different for a much larger animal...

 

 

MY QUOTE:

 

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Need the weight of the bird but it's 3/10 of valbezen.

 

For my chicken who had gape worms this is what I gave her to treat her just so you have an idea...

 

Valbezen dose, mix 1cc of Valbezen with 8 CC of water, Take that mixture and give orally 2cc's per day for five days.  I will warn you gape worms are hard to get rid of ..

 

let me check for the dose on a goose..

 

 

there's nothing here to where I said this was for ALL animals... I'm sure if I ordered some for a goose and gave the weight, that same exact dose would NOT be on the label..

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post #55 of 59
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Just trying to teach people that different sized birds need different amounts of medication and that many sites have dosing errors on the sites and/or on their products. Twin City Poultry and Durvet are two others with major dosing errors.

 

-Kathy

and I get that but I guess what your not understanding, the instructions I gave I specifically said this was for My Chicken, that you would need to know the weight of the animal.

 

If you take your Great Dane into a vet, it's Not going to have the SAME dose as if I took mine jack russel into the Vet for the same problem. So it's not an error, it's for the specific weight of the animal... and right now I gave that dose for a Bantam chicken NOT for a goose or a duck etc.  Of course the Dose is going to be different for a much larger animal...

 

 

MY QUOTE:

 

"

Need the weight of the bird but it's 3/10 of valbezen.

 

For my chicken who had gape worms this is what I gave her to treat her just so you have an idea...

 

Valbezen dose, mix 1cc of Valbezen with 8 CC of water, Take that mixture and give orally 2cc's per day for five days.  I will warn you gape worms are hard to get rid of ..

 

let me check for the dose on a goose..

 

 

there's nothing here to where I said this was for ALL animals... I'm sure if I ordered some for a goose and gave the weight, that same exact dose would NOT be on the label..

This is a perfect example of why people need to get used to telling other people how to calculate doses based on weight. No where in you post did you say how much to give per pound or kilogram.

 

Another thing, this comment confuses me - "Need the weight of the bird but it's 3/10 of valbezen."

Call or email your vet and ask what the mg/kg dose is.

 

I still think that the dose as written on the bottle at First State is wrong for *any* bird that weighs *more* than 2.75 pounds, and its probably  too much for anything smaller. 

 

Here is a picture of some goose weights:

 

-Kathy

post #56 of 59
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This is a perfect example of why people need to get used to telling other people how to calculate doses based on weight. No where in you post did you say how much to give per pound or kilogram.

 

Another thing, this comment confuses me - "Need the weight of the bird but it's 3/10 of valbezen."

Call or email your vet and ask what the mg/kg dose is.

 

I still think that the dose as written on the bottle at First State is wrong for *any* bird that weighs *more* than 2.75 pounds, and its probably  too much for anything smaller. 

 

Here is a picture of some goose weights:

 

-Kathy

 

Good Lord you are just going to fight with me until your blue in the face. LOL  OK MY POINT.

 

THIS IS a PERFECT example that One should ALWAYS check with a VET before Administrating any kinds of MEDS.   Your teaching people OH JUST DO IT YOURSELF, sorry but this isn't HOME DEPOT!! Those that can't find a Vet or can't afford one, AND BELIEVE ME I GET IT when it comes to a VET bill.... should be aware by doing it YOURSELF, you are taken that Risk. 

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post #57 of 59
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This is a perfect example of why people need to get used to telling other people how to calculate doses based on weight. No where in you post did you say how much to give per pound or kilogram.

 

Another thing, this comment confuses me - "Need the weight of the bird but it's 3/10 of valbezen."

Call or email your vet and ask what the mg/kg dose is.

 

I still think that the dose as written on the bottle at First State is wrong for *any* bird that weighs *more* than 2.75 pounds, and its probably  too much for anything smaller. 

 

Here is a picture of some goose weights:

 

-Kathy

 

Good Lord you are just going to fight with me until your blue in the face. LOL  OK MY POINT.

 

THIS IS a PERFECT example that One should ALWAYS check with a VET before Administrating any kinds of MEDS.   Your teaching people OH JUST DO IT YOURSELF, sorry but this isn't HOME DEPOT!! Those that can't find a Vet or can't afford one, AND BELIEVE ME I GET IT when it comes to a VET bill.... should be aware by doing it YOURSELF, you are taken that Risk. 

Of course I agree that people should consult with a vet, but when they can't, they really need to do some research and learn how to give the proper amount of medications, and that means understanding how how many mg per kg to give and how to calculate that based on the weight of the bird. 

 

In this thread, the OP has a bird that's been sick for a month and is under the care of a vet. I don't think it's gapeworms, but it could be, and it would be best for the OP to get a treatment plan from the vet. 

 

First State Vet has taken a bottle of 500 ml Valbazen that costs $45 and has made 5 $32 100 ml bottles and slapped a homemade label on them with dosing directions that are unlikely to treat anything other than roundworms if it's given as directed to anything over 2.75 pounds.

 

All I'm trying to do here is teach people how to research, do a little math and how they shouldn't trust the dosing on something when it's been repackaged. All the info is out there, one just has to look a little. FWIW, the dosing instructions on the bottle of Valbazen and fenbendazole sold at First State Vet cannot be found in any of the literature I have. Maybe I'll call them and ask where they got them from, 'cause they contradict *every* book or article I have read.

 

-Kathy

post #58 of 59

I wonder why we haven't heard how this gander is doing? it makes me think the worst . :(

 Western N.C ~ 17 chickens= EE's, Game, variety of bantams,1Light Brahma, 2 Black Australorps . 5 Muscovy ducks, 8 Indian Runners and 2 Buff Orpington Ducks, 1 Embden gander,1 Toulouse goose , 3 mini Dachshunds, 2 mixed breed, pond goldfish,  and a wonderful Husband who makes it all possible..

 

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post #59 of 59
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Originally Posted by casportpony View Post
 

Of course I agree that people should consult with a vet, but when they can't, they really need to do some research and learn how to give the proper amount of medications, and that means understanding how how many mg per kg to give and how to calculate that based on the weight of the bird. 

 

In this thread, the OP has a bird that's been sick for a month and is under the care of a vet. I don't think it's gapeworms, but it could be, and it would be best for the OP to get a treatment plan from the vet. 

 

First State Vet has taken a bottle of 500 ml Valbazen that costs $45 and has made 5 $32 100 ml bottles and slapped a homemade label on them with dosing directions that are unlikely to treat anything other than roundworms if it's given as directed to anything over 2.75 pounds.

 

All I'm trying to do here is teach people how to research, do a little math and how they shouldn't trust the dosing on something when it's been repackaged. All the info is out there, one just has to look a little. FWIW, the dosing instructions on the bottle of Valbazen and fenbendazole sold at First State Vet cannot be found in any of the literature I have. Maybe I'll call them and ask where they got them from, 'cause they contradict *every* book or article I have read.

 

-Kathy


But in this case, SHE"S been Taken him to a VET, that's what I was trying to get at.  She should consult with her VET about administrating, ..  That's all I'm saying.... 

 

A MONTH?  I don't think I read that part. OMG,  that's to long, Gape worms would have most likely killed it by now.  But it wouldn't hurt to treat him for it....Something other then gape worms is going on, HOWEVER, when my chicken got gape worms, we got rid of the worms BUT, she still had this HORRIBLE breathing issue going on to where she was NOT able to get the necessary oxygen.  She did end up dying..  and NOTHING worked for her, antibotics, nothing.  She just was unable to get air.  My theroy is the gape worms distroyed her throat that recovery was not going to be her option..  That's what I believe anyway.. I could be wrong though

 

There's a LOT OF CONTRADICTING information on the Internet,  HECK just try and find stuff about hatching ducks. OMG, you'll get so many different responses.  That's when I took it upon myself and studied what went on and learned from my own flock.  THEY ARE THE BEST TEACHERS..  However, they aren't very good at giving what doses to take. LOL

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