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I want to make a vegetable garden in the turkey/chicken run by making a rock walls to make a bed and piling on leaves and other organic matter. Then the chickens can scratch and turn it in to compost over winter, then a garden in spring! Is it safe to eat or save seed from this garden because of the chicken poop? I already planted Jerusalem artichokes in the run.
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Many people do things pretty similar. They may house their chickens in the garden during the winter, have a tractor that fits over the raised beds, or have the run divided into sections and use a different section for the garden each year. There are always lots of different ways to do things.

I don’t know where you are in Texas or how moist or cold your winters are. That stuff needs some moisture to break down into compost. If it stays frozen it won’t break down very well. But people a whole lot further north of you empty their coop in the garden in the fall and it is still ready to plant in the spring. It probably does most of the breaking down after the ground thaws and maybe even some after it is planted. I’d think in Texas this would not be a problem at all as long as you get some moisture.

Pure compost is not a great soil for a garden. It does not have the structural strength to support the roots so things can blow over pretty easily. It can also dry out pretty easily. Compost helps sand and clay soils manage moisture better but it’s better mixed than by itself. Your chickens and turkeys will probably take care of that for you by scratching.

Another thing is that that stuff really shrinks in size when it composts. What looks to be a huge thick layer of compostable materials winds up making a fairly small volume of compost. Even if you pile the leaves and such in there pretty thickly you won’t wind up with a hugely thick layer of compost so they should easily mix dirt in with it for you. I’ll just mention this so you are aware of it since I’m not looking at what you are doing, but I don’t think it will be a problem for you at all.

Now the poop. Chicken and turkey manure is fairly hot with nitrogen. If it is too fresh and too thick it can burn plants and even kill them. How hot it is will depend on how well it is mixed with carbons like those leaves, how long it has been there, and how much moisture there is in the mix so the microbes can do their job. It’s not the kind of thing you can just mention a time period and it will be OK because there are so many variables, such as how many birds pooping over how big an area and how well it is mixed in. So you will need to remove the birds a bit before you plant it so the poop can break down some. How long? I don’t know your details but I’d think a couple of weeks would be enough to not stunt or kill the plants. If it’s just a few birds and not a tiny area, you might need almost no time.

Is it safe to eat the produce or save the seeds? Oh my yes. What’s the quickest thing you are going to harvest? Radishes or maybe lettuce? Those will take a minimum of three weeks from planting to harvest. By that time any fresh poop should have broken down so it’s not a possible contaminant, especially if you let it sit a week or two before you plant it. Most poultry pathogens won’t affect humans anyway, pathogens are normally species specific, but some can. Any garden soil, whether it has compost or fairly fresh manure or not, can possibly contain pathogens. It often contains some fresh poop too. Birds and various creepy crawlies are pooping in there all the time. It’s always a good idea to wash the produce before you eat it. I use a lot of compost that I make and every few years I empty the coop on the garden in the fall. It doesn’t bother me to pull a fresh radish or carrot, wipe most of the dirt off on my dirty jeans, and eat it. I grew up doing that so I have a strong immune system but it is always safer to wash it first. As long as you wash it you should not have a problem.

One potential problem. Your birds will scratch in there a lot. If your rock wall is not high enough or the mesh on any wire fencing is not tight enough, they can scatter that composting stuff all over the place. You can wind up with that stuff scattered all over the place, not necessarily in the garden.

What you are talking about sounds great. Go for it.

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 I grow a little impatient when people seem to think that they are unique in the world. Of course they are. Just like everyone else.

 

"If you make every game a life-and-death proposition, you're going to have problems. For one thing, you'll be dead a lot." — former North Carolina coach Dean Smith

 

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Okay thanks, I might use beams instead of rocks.... It'll probably look better and be higher.
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The general rule of thumb is to not harvest crops within 3 months of fresh manure application.  I would be comfortable planting most crops where there is fairly fresh manure.  Of course you have to balance the issue regarding the likelihood of the manure burning the crops.  I would not eat root crops or salad greens that have been planted where they can get splashed with fresh manure.  But crops that will be peeled or cooked, crops that take a long time to mature should be fine.  Also, placing mulch over that manure application will decrease the likelihood of back splashing!  

 

I turn my chickens loose in the greenhouse during the winter.  I dump at least a foot of leaves in, and let the chickens have at it.  When they come out of the coop in the morning during the winter, they beat feet to the green house, and spend the day happily shuffling through the leaves.  Same with the garden!  Just as soon as I am done harvesting, I let them in.  They go right to town turning in the mulch, eating all of the vegetation, and amending the soil!  When it's time to plant in the spring, I have to cover every bed as it gets planted, until the garden gets to the point where it's time to just lock them out for the summer.  I do that with a deer netting fence.  Very effective.

Jesus Christ is my pilot.

My husband of 41 years is my best friend and co-pilot.

Enjoying my gardens.  My flock are my garden helpers.

Breeding a winter hearty flock with small combs and colored eggs.

Favorite breeds:  Dominique and EE.  Hatching addict.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1084432/egg-gender-selection-survey

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-laz...

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Jesus Christ is my pilot.

My husband of 41 years is my best friend and co-pilot.

Enjoying my gardens.  My flock are my garden helpers.

Breeding a winter hearty flock with small combs and colored eggs.

Favorite breeds:  Dominique and EE.  Hatching addict.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1084432/egg-gender-selection-survey

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-laz...

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Here is my small run/garden. I can move the outer walls to the other side to switch the run.

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Cool!
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I have one turkey poult that's genetics are un identified
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