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Thanks Kathy for the welcome.
Yes those doses should work fine.
But as i said i had major problems with cocci and am still unsure if i have it under control.
Is it so that Corid will only treat 3 of the 9 cocci that affect chickens?
I have singled out one of my sickest hens and am on my 3rd day of amoxicillin treatment! I have wormed with wazine and i am pulling my hair out over this. I am spending 5 or more hours a day picking up poop the coop is impeccably clean.
Here is my set up......
Free range, feed a grower that is lacto bacillious fermented, starting adding 1 cup a day of ground up cat feed (32% protien) to the diet after the fermentation process. A scoop of rooster booster. My girls are all thin as a rail!!!! Breast bone sharp and protruding.
Because i've lost 3 hens i now only have 3 hens that are laying age (no eggs yet) 18 months. And 3 mature roosters. That are very healthy and full breasted.
Could it be so simple as i have too many roosters?

 

 

32% protein??????????   Think about that for a minute.  A balanced diet is balanced for a reason.  Any imbalance, especially an incredible imbalance like feeding twice the amount of recommended protein, is a recipe for organ failure.  

 

All you need to keep chickens healthy is a balanced feed, clean soil, clean water, fresh air, sunshine.  That's it.  Take away all the supplements~especially the cat food...it's for cats, not for chickens~all the treats, all the medicines~every time you dose a chicken it weakens it even further, rendering its own immune system ineffectual, quit worming them, and quick picking up poop.  Their own poop is not going to kill them.

 

I'm thinking being super clean, giving them a too rich diet,  and repeated dosings of whatever meds you have on hand is not working, so you might want to stop all of that.  And, yes, you have too many roosters.  Even one would be too many for 3 hens and causes extreme stress to them...an overly stressed bird is a bird ripe for illness. 

 

Keep the fermented food, start a deep litter~NOT a deep bedding~system in the coop and run, increase ventilation in the coop...I have a feeling that's probably out of balance as well, get rid or or pen separately the three roosters, and get their bodies and their environment in balance.  That's all you need....balance. 

 

One cup of cat food won't hurt them. Many peafowl breeders use cat food to boost protein levels for their birds. All things in moderation. :D 

 

-Kathy

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Wazine will treat a large percentage of just large roundworms, but that's only if they drink enough medicated water. Probably best to try Safeguard at 0.23ml per pound for five consecutive days. That dose will treat large roundworms, cecal worms, gapeworms, capillary worms and possibly some species of tapeworms.

-Kathy
oh my goodness. I lost another hen! So i go to the feed store buy Ivermectin and Duramicyn and to my suprise i find 2 of my pretty rooster boys with fowl pox!
When does it ever stop? I bought the fowl pox vaccine over 60 days ago but the feed store had no applicators. I finally found some that got here on the 30th of December. But because of the other issues i have been hesitant to use it in fear of over stressing them.
Who ever thought raising chickens was a good idea?

Okay, so why did you buy ivermectin? Ivermectin is not an effective poultry wormer when the proper doses are used. I know the Merck manual says it works, but I can show you many studies that show otherwise. Do yourself a favor, return the ivermectin and get some Safeguard instead. Give Safeguard at 0.23ml per pound for five days and that will treat large roundworms, cecal worms, gapeworms, capillary worms and possibly some species of tapeworms.

 

-Kathy

post #63 of 66

Two ivermectin studies for everyone to read:

 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2816174

Ivermectin as a bird anthelmintic--trials with naturally infected domestic fowl.

Abstract

To evaluate the use of ivermectin as a bird anthelmintic, 29 White Leghorn hens naturally infected with Ascaridia spp., Heterakis spp. and Capillaria spp. were treated with 0.2, 2 or 6 mg/kg intramuscularly or 0.2 or 0.8 mg/kg orally. Faecal samples were collected before treatment and at autopsy, 2, 6, or 16 days after treatment, when the intestines were also examined for helminths. None of the treatments gave satisfactory anthelmintic results.


 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9269125

Anthelmintic efficacy of ivermectin against Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. in pheasant.

Abstract

Ivermectin (IVM) was perorally administered in dosage schemes 1 x 0.8 mg/kg of body weight (b.w.), 1 x 1.6 mg/kg h.w., 3 x 0.8 mg/kg b.w., and 3 x 1.6 mg/kg b.w. to pheasants infected by Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. The samples of faeces were coprologically examined. The clinical state of pheasant was controlled. In all of the used therapeutical schemes the helminthostatic or partially helminthocide effect against adults of worms was reached. The clinical signs of helmithoses were reduced only. IVM in tested doses is not possible to recommend as an effective drug of pheasant syngamosis and capillariosis.

 


 

-Kathy

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Next time don't freeze. Here is how I ship mine:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/799747/how-to-send-a-bird-for-a-necropsy-pictures

-Kathy
thank you for the advice i will surely keep that in mind.
So i opened her up today started with the esophagus. No worms. Then the gizzard all looked normal. The crop was empty but gizzard was full. Small intestine no cocci or scaring from cocci no worms but there was some inflammation. Large intestine and ceca no worms or cocci nor scaring but there was inflammation in the ceca. Opened the cranial cavity and all was well with no swelling or fluid.
So now this brings me to believe this is a bacterial infection.
So im glad i did not worm yet and will returm the Ivermectin and get the safeghard.[IMG][IMG][/IMG] notice the inflammation in the intestines and ceca.
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I originally started this thread, and although it took a different turn I just thought I would give you an update on my Mareks experience. I've learned some things I didn't know before. My vet helped me send out two of my deceased chickens to a state lab. It was concluded that I have Mareks in my flock for sure. The vet was confused because I lost 3 chickens that were vaccinated. The state pathologist said the strain I have is one of the less common strains. There are different types of vaccines.. Cheap ones that only cover one type of strain, and more expensive ones,that cover more of a broad spectrum of strains. Most people chose to save money and go with the cheap vaccines. I guess that's what happened with my flock. The pathologist said that Mareks is more common in this state than people realize. A big hatchery like McMurray uses a better vaccine, so IF I ever get more I have to get chicks from there. I, will continue to lose more chickens..even vaccinated ones it seems. I have ONE chicken left from my original group that I've had since May. Considering I've had her for 8 months, and I think the disease came from where she came from.. I think she might be a survivor and she is a carrier. My vet suggested I wait until summer time and see what I have left.. If I have a few survivors I can try to raise a few McMurray chicks and see if I can add them in and if they will survive. One thing I don't understand is how long the incubation period is, but I am still learning. I've only had chickens since May, but this whole experience has been very difficult. Just thought I would share what I learned today.
2 Black Silkies ("DohDoh" "Barney"). 1 bantam Cochin ("Chickie"). 1 Barnyard Mix ("Mister Rooster"). 2 Rhode Island Reds ("Rosie & Ruby"). 2 Wyandottes ("Henny Penny & Ethel"). 1 Barred Rock beauty ("Gracie") 2 dogs, 6 fish, 6 shrimp, 2 frogs.. And 3 animal loving humans. 💜

(We miss you Pippi bird, Coco, DeeDee, & RooBerri !!)
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2 Black Silkies ("DohDoh" "Barney"). 1 bantam Cochin ("Chickie"). 1 Barnyard Mix ("Mister Rooster"). 2 Rhode Island Reds ("Rosie & Ruby"). 2 Wyandottes ("Henny Penny & Ethel"). 1 Barred Rock beauty ("Gracie") 2 dogs, 6 fish, 6 shrimp, 2 frogs.. And 3 animal loving humans. 💜

(We miss you Pippi bird, Coco, DeeDee, & RooBerri !!)
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