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post #11 of 17
But there's to many differences in the chromosomes to even fertilize the egg
I love my muscovies!!! Wood ,Wood ( yes two ducks named Wood), Shell, Flo, Black cap, Trumps, Mute, Egyptian, Indie, Silver, Spur, Salty, Gaddy, NeNe, Widge, Swiss, Mist, Eider, Comb, Leo, Frost, Eos, Fawn, Orchid, Goldy, Tulip, and Pine
Mandarins: Sky and Ember

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Marble, Lil bit, Europe, Mask, April, Buffy, Marigold, Canvas, Rosey, Mallard, Farm, Crest, Smew, and Celeste
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I love my muscovies!!! Wood ,Wood ( yes two ducks named Wood), Shell, Flo, Black cap, Trumps, Mute, Egyptian, Indie, Silver, Spur, Salty, Gaddy, NeNe, Widge, Swiss, Mist, Eider, Comb, Leo, Frost, Eos, Fawn, Orchid, Goldy, Tulip, and Pine
Mandarins: Sky and Ember

In memory:
Marble, Lil bit, Europe, Mask, April, Buffy, Marigold, Canvas, Rosey, Mallard, Farm, Crest, Smew, and Celeste
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post #12 of 17
The female supplied gamete will attempt to replicate into stage 1 stem cells. It may even have a couple of semi successes but it will degrade rapidly.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Vosh Sahaal View Post

The sperm cell can penetrate the cell wall of the egg. It will then promptly die becausethe chromosomes aren't right. Technically it is fertilized, but it is not viable due to chromosomal differences between the gametes of different species.

I figured this was the reason. Lots of species have sperm that can fertilize other not-so-close species (some primates and humans, for example) but the fertilized cell won't develop. 

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Buck Oakes View Post

But there's to many differences in the chromosomes to even fertilize the egg

Fertilize simply means that the sperm cell gets into the the egg cell to add its genetic material to the egg cell--it has nothing to do with whether or not they successfully become a living creature. Whether or not a sperm cell actually penetrates the egg simply depends on if the enzyme in the head of the sperm can dissolve the egg cell's wall, which I can imagine for birds, it should all be the same. I was simply curious as to whether or not the bullseye would show up at all. (Which, I guess it should, considering the mental exercise I just went through with this.)

 

Now, a dog sperm and a duck egg cell would probably not show up for a bullseye because the dog sperm's enzyme might be too different. (But don't quote me on that... stranger things have happened.)

 

I do know now that the tan egg is from the muscovy duck as I sat through fifteen minutes earlier this morning of watching it lay a darn egg while my male hissed at me. 


Edited by jofanx - 2/1/16 at 7:12am
post #15 of 17
I know what fertilize means. Lol we're going to have to call an expert to come sort this out XD
I love my muscovies!!! Wood ,Wood ( yes two ducks named Wood), Shell, Flo, Black cap, Trumps, Mute, Egyptian, Indie, Silver, Spur, Salty, Gaddy, NeNe, Widge, Swiss, Mist, Eider, Comb, Leo, Frost, Eos, Fawn, Orchid, Goldy, Tulip, and Pine
Mandarins: Sky and Ember

In memory:
Marble, Lil bit, Europe, Mask, April, Buffy, Marigold, Canvas, Rosey, Mallard, Farm, Crest, Smew, and Celeste
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I love my muscovies!!! Wood ,Wood ( yes two ducks named Wood), Shell, Flo, Black cap, Trumps, Mute, Egyptian, Indie, Silver, Spur, Salty, Gaddy, NeNe, Widge, Swiss, Mist, Eider, Comb, Leo, Frost, Eos, Fawn, Orchid, Goldy, Tulip, and Pine
Mandarins: Sky and Ember

In memory:
Marble, Lil bit, Europe, Mask, April, Buffy, Marigold, Canvas, Rosey, Mallard, Farm, Crest, Smew, and Celeste
Reply
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by Buck Oakes View Post


Leary I'm not saying 'oh your so wrong' but what your saying seems to be wrong... I'm not being in anyway ignorant or whatever another word is for ignorant, but the Sperm is different for ducks and chickens making it not be able to fertilize. Leary your a very respected member on here and I love your advice u give on colors and incubating, just I don't think your right sad.png

Well then we can agree to disagree :) The next time I crack one of my chicken eggs I can send you a pic to show you it is in fact true. I have a couple of egg laying turken hens and no rooster. There are muscovies (males and females) in their pen with them and I do get fertilized eggs from the chickens

NPIP CERTIFIED! Al's Quackery is a small waterfowl farm in Southern Maine. I raise ducks, ducklings, geese, goslings and sell hatching eggs.
Ducks: Anconas (Black, Blue, Chocolate, Lavender, Lilac and Silver),  Muscovy (barred in black, blue, chocolate and combo, ripples in dark, chocolate, and blue shades, lavenders, and looneys in blue, black, chocolate and lilac)

Call Ducks: pied / magpie...

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NPIP CERTIFIED! Al's Quackery is a small waterfowl farm in Southern Maine. I raise ducks, ducklings, geese, goslings and sell hatching eggs.
Ducks: Anconas (Black, Blue, Chocolate, Lavender, Lilac and Silver),  Muscovy (barred in black, blue, chocolate and combo, ripples in dark, chocolate, and blue shades, lavenders, and looneys in blue, black, chocolate and lilac)

Call Ducks: pied / magpie...

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post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by jofanx View Post
 

Fertilize simply means that the sperm cell gets into the the egg cell to add its genetic material to the egg cell--it has nothing to do with whether or not they successfully become a living creature. Whether or not a sperm cell actually penetrates the egg simply depends on if the enzyme in the head of the sperm can dissolve the egg cell's wall, which I can imagine for birds, it should all be the same. I was simply curious as to whether or not the bullseye would show up at all. (Which, I guess it should, considering the mental exercise I just went through with this.)

 

Now, a dog sperm and a duck egg cell would probably not show up for a bullseye because the dog sperm's enzyme might be too different. (But don't quote me on that... stranger things have happened.)

 

I do know now that the tan egg is from the muscovy duck as I sat through fifteen minutes earlier this morning of watching it lay a darn egg while my male hissed at me. 

Exactly :)

NPIP CERTIFIED! Al's Quackery is a small waterfowl farm in Southern Maine. I raise ducks, ducklings, geese, goslings and sell hatching eggs.
Ducks: Anconas (Black, Blue, Chocolate, Lavender, Lilac and Silver),  Muscovy (barred in black, blue, chocolate and combo, ripples in dark, chocolate, and blue shades, lavenders, and looneys in blue, black, chocolate and lilac)

Call Ducks: pied / magpie...

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NPIP CERTIFIED! Al's Quackery is a small waterfowl farm in Southern Maine. I raise ducks, ducklings, geese, goslings and sell hatching eggs.
Ducks: Anconas (Black, Blue, Chocolate, Lavender, Lilac and Silver),  Muscovy (barred in black, blue, chocolate and combo, ripples in dark, chocolate, and blue shades, lavenders, and looneys in blue, black, chocolate and lilac)

Call Ducks: pied / magpie...

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