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Cesar Millan has a very long history of dogs needing to be euthanized after being on his shows because the behaviors get worse. He's had several dogs die in his training program (basically worked to death). He's had a history of lawsuits after dogs maul people. His methods not only don't work, they're dangerous and irresponsible.

Can you provide a link or reference to this?

 

I would be interested to read it.

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Here's one of the lawsuits after his work made a dog more violent - the dog was euthanized:

http://www.dogingtonpost.com/dog-whisperer-cesar-millan-sued-after-dog-attack/

 

Here's a dog that was seriously injured by Millan during his training:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-05-05-dog-whisperer_x.htm

 

There are many more cases of each type.

 

Here's an article on why his general methods cause more problems than they fix: http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2009/march/why-veterinary-behaviorists-cant-stand-cesar-millan-6741

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Here's one of the lawsuits after his work made a dog more violent - the dog was euthanized:
http://www.dogingtonpost.com/dog-whisperer-cesar-millan-sued-after-dog-attack/

Here's a dog that was seriously injured by Millan during his training:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-05-05-dog-whisperer_x.htm

There are many more cases of each type.

Here's an article on why his general methods cause more problems than they fix: http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2009/march/why-veterinary-behaviorists-cant-stand-cesar-millan-6741
Anyone can file a lawsuit,and anyone can have an opinion, doesn't mean it's correct information. If you don't understand his methods don't try them because you obviously won't do it correctly and could get bit.
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post #44 of 48

Its not an issue of not understanding his methods - his methods are dangerous and ineffective, and he's had several dogs die on his property from excessive training, abuse, etc. A significant percentage of his 'graduates' have later been put down for mauling their owners.

Pretty much every animal training organization thinks his methods are dangerous.


Edited by CrazyTalk - 2/2/16 at 6:19pm
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Weird, all my dogs are well behaved and have never bitten anyone. I still will continue to watch and enjoy him.
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post #46 of 48
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Weird, all my dogs are well behaved and have never bitten anyone. I still will continue to watch and enjoy him.


I'm pretty sure you're not regularly punching your dogs, alpha rolling them, and strapping them to treadmills and running them almost to the point of death, are you? Because if you're not doing that, you're not doing Cesar Millan.

post #47 of 48
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Here's one of the lawsuits after his work made a dog more violent - the dog was euthanized:

http://www.dogingtonpost.com/dog-whisperer-cesar-millan-sued-after-dog-attack/

 

Here's a dog that was seriously injured by Millan during his training:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-05-05-dog-whisperer_x.htm

 

There are many more cases of each type.

 

Here's an article on why his general methods cause more problems than they fix: http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2009/march/why-veterinary-behaviorists-cant-stand-cesar-millan-6741

 

I read those articles and not a one convinced me that the problems cited had any merit nor was Cesar Milan directly responsible.  Looks to me like a lot of biased reporting and folks looking to make some money off a TV personality.   The last one showed the episode on Holly and said the dog progressed from snarling and growling to biting after Cesar worked with it, but the owners had already said the dog had bitten them several times, so the author of that article either didn't watch that episode or was trying to slant the truth.

 

I'm wondering if any trainer that had worked with thousands and thousands of dogs during their career wouldn't have some disgruntled people or dogs that later reverted to bad behaviors when rejoining their owners or in the hands of others who could not continue with their conditioning.   It happens, but it doesn't prove the methods won't work if done properly.  Folks just don't like the man because he believes that dogs shouldn't be treated like humans and there's a hugely overwhelming number of people out there in the states that do that very thing.

 

The OP is free to make up their minds about the training and advice that has been offered here, so no need to keep beating this poor dead horse.  We get it. you don't like Cesar Milan and that's okay.  You must also get that many people do and that's okay too.    

 
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post #48 of 48
I wasn't going to post more about training, but I found a few good articles that may be of interest.

This first is written by Dr. Sophia Yin who was an amazing veterinary behaviorist. This article talks about why the dominance method of training doesn't necessarily translate for domestic animals trained by humans.

http://clickyourdog.webs.com/documents/DominanceFinal.pdf

Here's a good review article about dominance theory and its relation to domestic dogs:

http://img2.timg.co.il/forums/1_139885255.pdf

This article is a nice overview of positive punishment techniques (such as those used by Cesar) and the response of dogs it is used on.

http://binalunzer.com/Links_files/aversivestimulation.pdf

There's a lot of interesting info out there but it's late so I'm going to sign off and head to bed. I realize everyone has preferences and if something works for you, that's great. However, it's good to read what you can so when something goes wrong or the method doesn't work on a future dog, you can understand why. I also think it's important for people to be aware that dominance theory training uses aversive techniques that can lead to learned helplessness and when pushed too hard, it can lead to aggression.
Edited by Chickerdoodle13 - 2/2/16 at 8:34pm
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