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Where the eggs are not even fertile? Even If they show no signs of MG
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My flock has both MG and MS and I see no issues with fertility. I get 10-20 eggs per day depending on the week and every one I crack open is fertile. I've also got 7 eggs in the incubator and all of them are developing well, on day 15 now and all looking GREAT, so no problems with hatching either.

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My flock has both MG and MS and I see no issues with fertility. I get 10-20 eggs per day depending on the week and every one I crack open is fertile. I've also got 7 eggs in the incubator and all of them are developing well, on day 15 now and all looking GREAT, so no problems with hatching either.

That makes me feel better as i dont think my geese have it but a roo i processed i think did had bubbly swollen eye so i processed all but 4 of my chickens but the 4 chickens are not in with my geese. As im not sure if they did get it or not but im not risking it. One of my goose eggs was being incubated but someone said it wasnt fertile. It had blood in it though i think it died early on. Before a week. I checked fertility a week or two ago and it was fertile. The yolk didnt have blood in it until being incubated. So how can an egg not be fertile but grow a blood ring. I have 3 eggs i put in mine bator two days ago to see.
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That makes me feel better as i dont think my geese have it but a roo i processed i think did had bubbly swollen eye so i processed all but 4 of my chickens but the 4 chickens are not in with my geese. As im not sure if they did get it or not but im not risking it. One of my goose eggs was being incubated but someone said it wasnt fertile. It had blood in it though i think it died early on. Before a week. I checked fertility a week or two ago and it was fertile. The yolk didnt have blood in it until being incubated. So how can an egg not be fertile but grow a blood ring. I have 3 eggs i put in mine bator two days ago to see.

Not all bubbly or swollen eyes confirm Mycoplasma. If just one bird has it, it's ideal to isolate and wait it out. If multiple birds have ocular and respiratory signs, that's usually Myco (or another respiratory disease) but eye infections and injuries are relatively common so when it's just one bird having the problem I recommend giving them the benefit of a doubt.

Mycoplasma, in my experience, is usually spread via bird to bird contact. It's possible to spread it on clothes, shoes, etc., but it's uncommon, especially in hot or dry weather. That said, if you were frequently going between the chicken and goose pens, without cleaning shoes and hands or changing clothes, or the pens were close enough together that feathers (contaminated with blood or feces) could have blown over from, there is a decent chance they have it. I don't have much expertise with mycoplasma in waterfowl - I know they, like most all fowl species, can carry it, but I can't answer questions regarding how to test for it (I'm not sure if a blood test would work, since they don't really show symptoms like chickens and turkeys do) or if they are huge vectors for transmission to susceptible birds. I do know a sure way to find out would be to put a chicken you know for sure is healthy in close proximity to them and put it under some stress. A stressed (even mildly) bird in a new environment is likely to show symptoms when it becomes infected. In the meantime I would really not recommend selling eggs or fowl. You're a person with your own free will so I can't stop you if you choose to continue, but if there's any question of your birds health, the best thing to do is cease sales until it can be confirmed they are fully healthy. The chance that you could be infecting someone else's flock with these diseases is just too big a risk (in my opinon) to take.

I would think that poor hatches/fertility would be more an incubator or breeding issue. Even if waterfowl can carry the disease, I don't know that any actually show symptoms. I've never seen it. I'll ask my vet about it next time I see her, I've been meaning to question her about transmission and carrying of MS and MG in species like waterfowl and pheasants. I imagine it's rather like blackhead in chickens. They often carry it and transmit it to susceptible species (turkeys), and although they can technically show symptoms or get sick from it, it's quite rare and really only seen in laboratory or experimental settings.

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Not all bubbly or swollen eyes confirm Mycoplasma. If just one bird has it, it's ideal to isolate and wait it out. If multiple birds have ocular and respiratory signs, that's usually Myco (or another respiratory disease) but eye infections and injuries are relatively common so when it's just one bird having the problem I recommend giving them the benefit of a doubt.

Mycoplasma, in my experience, is usually spread via bird to bird contact. It's possible to spread it on clothes, shoes, etc., but it's uncommon, especially in hot or dry weather. That said, if you were frequently going between the chicken and goose pens, without cleaning shoes and hands or changing clothes, or the pens were close enough together that feathers (contaminated with blood or feces) could have blown over from, there is a decent chance they have it. I don't have much expertise with mycoplasma in waterfowl - I know they, like most all fowl species, can carry it, but I can't answer questions regarding how to test for it (I'm not sure if a blood test would work, since they don't really show symptoms like chickens and turkeys do) or if they are huge vectors for transmission to susceptible birds. I do know a sure way to find out would be to put a chicken you know for sure is healthy in close proximity to them and put it under some stress. A stressed (even mildly) bird in a new environment is likely to show symptoms when it becomes infected. In the meantime I would really not recommend selling eggs or fowl. You're a person with your own free will so I can't stop you if you choose to continue, but if there's any question of your birds health, the best thing to do is cease sales until it can be confirmed they are fully healthy. The chance that you could be infecting someone else's flock with these diseases is just too big a risk (in my opinon) to take.

I would think that poor hatches/fertility would be more an incubator or breeding issue. Even if waterfowl can carry the disease, I don't know that any actually show symptoms. I've never seen it. I'll ask my vet about it next time I see her, I've been meaning to question her about transmission and carrying of MS and MG in species like waterfowl and pheasants. I imagine it's rather like blackhead in chickens. They often carry it and transmit it to susceptible species (turkeys), and although they can technically show symptoms or get sick from it, it's quite rare and really only seen in laboratory or experimental settings.

Only one ever had a bubbly eye... And my geese are fertile I just cant hatch them. Been trying for 4 years now. But I traded eggs and the goose eggs I sent are growing.
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Only one ever had a bubbly eye... And my geese are fertile I just cant hatch them. Been trying for 4 years now. But I traded eggs and the goose eggs I sent are growing.

OK, that sounds more like some kind of eye infection, probably not Myco.

Well, I can't speak much as far as the geese go. I'm no waterfowl expert! Maybe try a new incubator, if you haven't already?

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