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As part of the evolutionary path most birds eat based on 'at the moment' calorie needs, in general they don't 'over eat' or even eat planning any further ahead then their nightly roost, they spend every day eating for that days needs with little extra converted to fat in the end... The exception would be modern day broilers where selective breeding has turned off that internal calorie limiter... This is why even a few hours without food can cause cause a decrease in egg production,and a few days without food can cause health issue for many birds, birds in general simply don't store much fat, there bodies are designed for a constant food supply entering... Since they only eat what they need at that moment there is generally very little stored as fat, although as you said over they years it can accumulate to some degree but it's a slow process in most birds and generally only happens when they are confined and inactive or a resulted of selective breeding...

 

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Sorry I don't go for that "eating based on a caloric need" statement. I've read that here on this site numerous times but experience I've seen speaks otherwise

I Definitly don't go for that "evolutionary path" statement

 

 

Me neither...that whole paragraph was just blah, blah, blah and meant absolutely nothing.  My birds free range over 3 acres of meadow ringed by woods and lay on fat like crazy, young and old, and mostly on foraged feed.  The cockerels I butchered this past fall were the fattest male birds I've ever butchered~even fatter than CX birds~with fat stores on their backs, around their organs and along the back of their necks, even, and those birds had fed on mainly foraged feed their whole existence and especially after 2 mo. of age when the older flock kind of segregated them into a bachelor flock that got very few chances to eat at the daily meal.  


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post #62 of 68
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I gotta ask with regard to free ranging...you all must have predators lurking/flying around do you just let your chickens out? I've got 5 acres available for them to forage but i do t want to offer up a all you can eat buffet to all the predators
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I would love to see the pictures of these 'obese' and 'high fat' dressed chickens complete with weight measurements and a rough body fat analysis compared to their breed average... With confirmation they are not broiler or meat breeds that have been selectively bred to turn off their natural dietary intake limiting system...

Sure some chickens pack on some fat and weight more, but overall it's not that drastic of a variance as seen in other animal species like mammals...

As I said I'm a man of science and place science above hear say and select anecdotal observations...

So at this point I guess we will have to beg to differ, as it's clear others place anecdotal observations or spiritual beliefs above science and that is something I will never do...

But, i will close with that if one claims their own chickens are 'fat' and have excess fat build up, they are likely not the people I'm personally going to take chicken nutrition advice from, just saying...
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:lol:   Wait a minute!  First you say chickens don't lay on fat unless they are sedentary or were selectively bred meat chickens, then you say if the chickens get fat all on their own out there on foraged feeds that it's the flock owner's fault?  Which is it? 

 

I didn't take pics or weights of those cockerels this fall because generally I don't need to prove such things to anyone....I just eat them.  I do have a pic of a PWR hen of 5 yrs of age that was also just eating mainly forage and was sharing a cup and a half of FF(16% layer) with 13 other LF birds.  She was not selectively bred for fat or meat, just a hatchery stock White Plymouth Rock, nor was she fed "junk", nor was she sedentary.  She was an excellent layer for almost 5 yrs, but then slowed down enough for me to cull her, so not too fat to lay extra large eggs like clockwork for a good many years. 

 

Here's what she looked like before she was butchered....eating what she was getting fat on....  You know..that stuff you science guys say chickens don't actually eat much of because they can't digest it?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And here's a sex link bird that was merely visiting for a few months before she was culled....she also was eating primarily foraged feeds and also only sharing the cup and a half of feed with the flock....not sedentary, not bred selectively for meat purposes, laying still, and not being fed on "junk". 

 

 
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I gotta ask with regard to free ranging...you all must have predators lurking/flying around do you just let your chickens out? I've got 5 acres available for them to forage but i do t want to offer up a all you can eat buffet to all the predators

With free ranging you need to make sure they have places to "duck and cover". We have lots of trees and ferns where we are and my chickens are on the constant look out for predators.  They always see things before I do.  So if you don't have natural things for them to hide under you can make it.  Vehicles around, pallets leaned against things, other creative dash under places help them.  I haven't lost one to a predator (knock wood).  We have coyote, bob cat, cougar, racoons, weasels, owls, hawks...basically every predator you can think of and they have taken care of themselves very well.

"When raising chickens you must think like a chicken...NOT like a human!"

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/how-to-prepare-for-emergencies-diseases-injuries-before-they-happen 

 

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"When raising chickens you must think like a chicken...NOT like a human!"

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/how-to-prepare-for-emergencies-diseases-injuries-before-they-happen 

 

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post #66 of 68
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I gotta ask with regard to free ranging...you all must have predators lurking/flying around do you just let your chickens out? I've got 5 acres available for them to forage but i do t want to offer up a all you can eat buffet to all the predators

 

You have to have your own predators and plenty of duck and cover, as well as breeds and birds well suited for survival on range.  It helps to get them out on range by their second week, only rear chicks in the early spring...the old timers say to raise chicks when the crows are nesting and they are right.  I have a murder of crows up on the ridge that keep the hawks well away from my meadow when they are nesting their own young. 

 

Here's a link that may help you:  http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/bees-key-points-to-successful-and-safe-free-ranging

 
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post #67 of 68
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Beekissed
You should write a book or two...gotta guess you have if not!?!? You should.
Well written piece
Kudos to you.
Thanks
post #68 of 68
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Beekissed
You should write a book or two...gotta guess you have if not!?!? You should.
Well written piece
Kudos to you.
Thanks

 

Thank you!  I've been told that a time or two.......  :lol:   I've even set out to write one a couple of times, but just lost interest.  Too busy out there livin', I guess. 

 
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