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NPIP testing ....well, I guess it is a rant....;0( in Georgia

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    I only raise domestic waterfowl that I got from ,yes NPIP (Holderreads).... I have shown a couple times and had them tested at show.

     I called today just to see If I was going to get tested, how much  , Procedures. etc.?

     I have over 100 birds.... in various pens, pastured, daytime free range... about half are Bantamn ducks in pens.

     They would test for  Pullurom/tyfoid  and AI. (now mind you, waterfowl don't get  Pullorum from the  all I have read,including Universities).  They want to test ALL birds... and band ...then the AI is only good for 6 months.....

      It would take ALL day to catch, handle,band.......not to mention the trauma of it all, ( lets go catch the one  Runner in the group of 40, flighty as they are, with a net, or trapping them  in corners , hoping they don't pile or get hurt in the process.):hu

      As for  the bantam ducks, not  letting one get out as you try to corner another in the group , must less being able to  home in on right one. (this has happened before....and try  catching a bantam that has some flight ability.):ep

     Then there is the stretching their wing out, and  plucking  feathers because of their down, and  they can't easily get to a vein...  there is the  possibility that they will bleed all over  the  place, like one did at a show.(all over my  clothes) Or another Runner who was lamed by the testing.... all for something Chickens get... ( regulations for the chicken industry; which is understandable  for  big commercial endeavors).

       They said, about 45.$ per pool, I'd need 3 pools, then  .43 cents a bird for AI, then a 25$ year..... and the AI is only good for  6 months, so If I went out of state for a show.....It would be another 45$ or so.... so  about  1.00$ a bird.  Over 100$ and another 45$ ... so 150 +$  a year or more to go show a few ducks and geese out of state... yearly....

 

        I can see why it is "no big deal " for  people who have 20 birds .... but it would be a big deal... I have large and  small geese, large and small ducks... and am over 60... all the  cornering, netting, diving, tackling, getting brusied by the geese, tripping, sliding... all those fun things you do , when you don't have a  commercial caged poultry .....

Mom to:  2  Arabians, a donkey,a Rat terrier, a jack Russel terrier ,a cat. Purebred Penciled, & Gray   Runner ducks,White Breasted Dusky Dutch Hookbill Ducks, Saxony Ducks and Mini-Silkie Ducks: Mini Shetland Geese, Brown Super Africans.
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Mom to:  2  Arabians, a donkey,a Rat terrier, a jack Russel terrier ,a cat. Purebred Penciled, & Gray   Runner ducks,White Breasted Dusky Dutch Hookbill Ducks, Saxony Ducks and Mini-Silkie Ducks: Mini Shetland Geese, Brown Super Africans.
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that's what happens when they have non-ag people in charge of agriculture - in my state they want all the birds INDOORS -

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What state are you in? I want to get NPIP and AI Clean just don't know how to? I have around 50 birds and will sell some to make the numbers go down
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Georgia, which has a huge chicken industry. I understand if there is a serious outbreak. But I do  practice Bio-security, no one comes here to buy birds and I wear different clothes and shoes outside. If anything , the local chicken houses who sell their manure to the  hay and corn farmers around here , who then  spread it on the fields, (no not  treated or even covered, the  thousands of  flies often testify to that). Or the  feed trucks ,  trucks with  cages to slaughter ,and vets  who go from place to  place would be  more likely culprits. (plus chickens get a  lot more diseases than  waterfowl...one of  the  reasons I  like waterfowl, easycare and  good health.

    I also  don't have any ponds on my property , the  only time I see wild waterfowl is a few geese pass through, and  occasionally  stop at a farmers pond a 1/2 mile away for  a  couple days....

    The testing is  with huge commercial  houses  in  mind... not a senior citizen and a tester trying to corner and not injure a flock of  birds all running and  piling  from the  scary monsters trying to  grab them....( well , the  runners anyway) . It would take  at  least  10 minutes per bird as an average to corner , catch hold, probably puck some feathers to be able to get to  the  wing so as to  take some  blood, then  wrestling their month open without hurting them ? to  swab.... and you  know someone would get injured , accidently, but it  would happen....(or  19.1 hours , without  any breaks or loose birds, assuming  my back held out).

    Did  I mention  waterfowl don't  get  Pullorum?  

     I did think about it  because it  took about an hour or more to test the  18 birds I took to the  show.... now I  know why  a lot of  breeders won't do it.... and the thing is, it only means your birds don't have it ...ON THAT DAY.... they  could get it in a month or when ever if it is around and  they are at risk....so a  breeder who  says they are NPIP....well, they were tested and  on that day, their birds were ok.....but  may not  be 'next week'.... it  doesn't protect for a year.... just finds it , on that day...(if you hadn't  noticed  your birds were sick or dying)....

    And  then if I decide to  show  this  years hatch , I  would have to get them tested again , as  it  is  less than a year.... so  it  would  cost more like 300$ if  I  showed , even 2  shows, 6-12 months apart..... and  then  they would have to reband after the  first time, so  add taking off the  old bands (without hurting anyone), then rebanding them....  so  add more time....


Edited by mominoz - 3/9/16 at 6:03pm
Mom to:  2  Arabians, a donkey,a Rat terrier, a jack Russel terrier ,a cat. Purebred Penciled, & Gray   Runner ducks,White Breasted Dusky Dutch Hookbill Ducks, Saxony Ducks and Mini-Silkie Ducks: Mini Shetland Geese, Brown Super Africans.
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Mom to:  2  Arabians, a donkey,a Rat terrier, a jack Russel terrier ,a cat. Purebred Penciled, & Gray   Runner ducks,White Breasted Dusky Dutch Hookbill Ducks, Saxony Ducks and Mini-Silkie Ducks: Mini Shetland Geese, Brown Super Africans.
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Georgia, which has a huge chicken industry. I understand if there is a serious outbreak. But I do  practice Bio-security, no one comes here to buy birds and I wear different clothes and shoes outside. If anything , the local chicken houses who sell their manure to the  hay and corn farmers around here , who then  spread it on the fields, (no not  treated or even covered, the  thousands of  flies often testify to that). Or the  feed trucks ,  trucks with  cages to slaughter ,and vets  who go from place to  place would be  more likely culprits. (plus chickens get a  lot more diseases than  waterfowl...one of  the  reasons I  like waterfowl, easycare and  good health.
    I also  don't have any ponds on my property , the  only time I see wild waterfowl is a few geese pass through, and  occasionally  stop at a farmers pond a 1/2 mile away for  a  couple days....
    The testing is  with huge commercial  houses  in  mind... not a senior citizen and a tester trying to corner and not injure a flock of  birds all running and  piling  from the  scary monsters trying to  grab them....( well , the  runners anyway) . It would take  at  least  10 minutes per bird as an average to corner , catch hold, probably puck some feathers to be able to get to  the  wing so as to  take some  blood, then  wrestling their month open without hurting them ? to  swab.... and you  know someone would get injured , accidently, but it  would happen....(or  19.1 hours , without  any breaks or loose birds, assuming  my back held out).
    Did  I mention  waterfowl don't  get  Pullorum?  
     I did think about it  because it  took about an hour or more to test the  18 birds I took to the  show.... now I  know why  a lot of  breeders won't do it.... and the thing is, it only means your birds don't have it ...ON THAT DAY.... they  could get it in a month or when ever if it is around and  they are at risk....so a  breeder who  says they are NPIP....well, they were tested and  on that day, their birds were ok.....but  may not  be 'next week'.... it  doesn't protect for a year.... just finds it , on that day...(if you hadn't  noticed  your birds were sick or dying)....
    And  then if I decide to  show  this  years hatch , I  would have to get them tested again , as  it  is  less than a year.... so  it  would  cost more like 300$ if  I  showed , even 2  shows, 6-12 months apart..... and  then  they would have to reband after the  first time, so  add taking off the  old bands (without hurting anyone), then rebanding them....  so  add more time....
That's one of the reasons I don't want to do it. I have more than 50 birds plus ducks quail and golden pheasants. That would literally take all day to do any not mentioning the money it would cost to do every bird. And it's only good for 6 months. So sometimes it's not worth it but I really would enjoy shipping eggs and chicks to different states .
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