NPIP testing ....well, I guess it is a rant....;0( in Georgia

mominoz · Mar 7, 2016

I only raise domestic waterfowl that I got from ,yes NPIP (Holderreads).... I have shown a couple times and had them tested at show.
I called today just to see If I was going to get tested, how much , Procedures. etc.?
I have over 100 birds.... in various pens, pastured, daytime free range... about half are Bantamn ducks in pens.
They would test for Pullurom/tyfoid and AI. (now mind you, waterfowl don't get Pullorum from the all I have read,including Universities). They want to test ALL birds... and band ...then the AI is only good for 6 months.....
It would take ALL day to catch, handle,band.......not to mention the trauma of it all, ( lets go catch the one Runner in the group of 40, flighty as they are, with a net, or trapping them in corners , hoping they don't pile or get hurt in the process.)

As for the bantam ducks, not letting one get out as you try to corner another in the group , must less being able to home in on right one. (this has happened before....and try catching a bantam that has some flight ability.)

Then there is the stretching their wing out, and plucking feathers because of their down, and they can't easily get to a vein... there is the possibility that they will bleed all over the place, like one did at a show.(all over my clothes) Or another Runner who was lamed by the testing.... all for something Chickens get... ( regulations for the chicken industry; which is understandable for big commercial endeavors).
They said, about 45.$ per pool, I'd need 3 pools, then .43 cents a bird for AI, then a 25$ year..... and the AI is only good for 6 months, so If I went out of state for a show.....It would be another 45$ or so.... so about 1.00$ a bird. Over 100$ and another 45$ ... so 150 +$ a year or more to go show a few ducks and geese out of state... yearly....

I can see why it is "no big deal " for people who have 20 birds .... but it would be a big deal... I have large and small geese, large and small ducks... and am over 60... all the cornering, netting, diving, tackling, getting brusied by the geese, tripping, sliding... all those fun things you do , when you don't have a commercial caged poultry .....

gigi113 · Mar 7, 2016

that's what happens when they have non-ag people in charge of agriculture - in my state they want all the birds INDOORS -

Alex1010 · Mar 7, 2016

What state are you in? I want to get NPIP and AI Clean just don't know how to? I have around 50 birds and will sell some to make the numbers go down

mominoz · Mar 9, 2016

Georgia, which has a huge chicken industry. I understand if there is a serious outbreak. But I do practice Bio-security, no one comes here to buy birds and I wear different clothes and shoes outside. If anything , the local chicken houses who sell their manure to the hay and corn farmers around here , who then spread it on the fields, (no not treated or even covered, the thousands of flies often testify to that). Or the feed trucks , trucks with cages to slaughter ,and vets who go from place to place would be more likely culprits. (plus chickens get a lot more diseases than waterfowl...one of the reasons I like waterfowl, easycare and good health.
I also don't have any ponds on my property , the only time I see wild waterfowl is a few geese pass through, and occasionally stop at a farmers pond a 1/2 mile away for a couple days....
The testing is with huge commercial houses in mind... not a senior citizen and a tester trying to corner and not injure a flock of birds all running and piling from the scary monsters trying to grab them....( well , the runners anyway) . It would take at least 10 minutes per bird as an average to corner , catch hold, probably puck some feathers to be able to get to the wing so as to take some blood, then wrestling their month open without hurting them ? to swab.... and you know someone would get injured , accidently, but it would happen....(or 19.1 hours , without any breaks or loose birds, assuming my back held out).
Did I mention waterfowl don't get Pullorum?
I did think about it because it took about an hour or more to test the 18 birds I took to the show.... now I know why a lot of breeders won't do it.... and the thing is, it only means your birds don't have it ...ON THAT DAY.... they could get it in a month or when ever if it is around and they are at risk....so a breeder who says they are NPIP....well, they were tested and on that day, their birds were ok.....but may not be 'next week'.... it doesn't protect for a year.... just finds it , on that day...(if you hadn't noticed your birds were sick or dying)....
And then if I decide to show this years hatch , I would have to get them tested again , as it is less than a year.... so it would cost more like 300$ if I showed , even 2 shows, 6-12 months apart..... and then they would have to reband after the first time, so add taking off the old bands (without hurting anyone), then rebanding them.... so add more time....

Alex1010 · Mar 9, 2016

mominoz said:
Georgia, which has a huge chicken industry. I understand if there is a serious outbreak. But I do practice Bio-security, no one comes here to buy birds and I wear different clothes and shoes outside. If anything , the local chicken houses who sell their manure to the hay and corn farmers around here , who then spread it on the fields, (no not treated or even covered, the thousands of flies often testify to that). Or the feed trucks , trucks with cages to slaughter ,and vets who go from place to place would be more likely culprits. (plus chickens get a lot more diseases than waterfowl...one of the reasons I like waterfowl, easycare and good health.
    I also don't have any ponds on my property , the only time I see wild waterfowl is a few geese pass through, and occasionally stop at a farmers pond a 1/2 mile away for a couple days....
    The testing is with huge commercial houses in mind... not a senior citizen and a tester trying to corner and not injure a flock of birds all running and piling from the scary monsters trying to grab them....( well , the runners anyway) . It would take at least 10 minutes per bird as an average to corner , catch hold, probably puck some feathers to be able to get to the wing so as to take some blood, then wrestling their month open without hurting them ? to swab.... and you know someone would get injured , accidently, but it would happen....(or 19.1 hours , without any breaks or loose birds, assuming my back held out).
    Did I mention waterfowl don't get Pullorum?
     I did think about it because it took about an hour or more to test the 18 birds I took to the show.... now I know why a lot of breeders won't do it.... and the thing is, it only means your birds don't have it ...ON THAT DAY.... they could get it in a month or when ever if it is around and they are at risk....so a breeder who says they are NPIP....well, they were tested and on that day, their birds were ok.....but may not be 'next week'.... it doesn't protect for a year.... just finds it , on that day...(if you hadn't noticed your birds were sick or dying)....
    And then if I decide to show this years hatch , I would have to get them tested again , as it is less than a year.... so it would cost more like 300$ if I showed , even 2 shows, 6-12 months apart..... and then they would have to reband after the first time, so add taking off the old bands (without hurting anyone), then rebanding them.... so add more time....

That's one of the reasons I don't want to do it. I have more than 50 birds plus ducks quail and golden pheasants. That would literally take all day to do any not mentioning the money it would cost to do every bird. And it's only good for 6 months. So sometimes it's not worth it but I really would enjoy shipping eggs and chicks to different states .

NPIP testing ....well, I guess it is a rant....;0( in Georgia

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