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Healthy (1yr) Tom - treated bumblefoot - Now has splayed opposite foot- Now both feet hobbled.

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Thread Starter 

Hi everybody !  

 

Ok I have researched this to death ---  

 I went from a sassy can pick up and run turkey - to treated bumblefoot - to trying to get him back on his feet - in just one surgery sitting ! ( plus the 2 days I noticed he was having trouble with swollen foot ) 

 

Seems as though I knew he was gonna keep his operated foot curled up - Ok check - 

But then things got strange by the day ...........his other leg started to splay in about the 11:00 after about 2 days....bumblefoot still pulled up high - I was concerned because there was little or no reading of bumblefoot on Turkeys - 

So here I am taking chicken advice and dropping some common sense onto a heavier bird .  

So before I get ahead of myself - His bandage ( horse vet wraps) and nonstick pads and medicine has been changed a few times now and regrowth on the digi pad is coming along nicely . As well as the swelling has dropped.  

Now with the good things taking time to fix itself and mother nature to do her job ... This splaying thing showed up and for the life of me I watched him and he could not retract his leg !  As you would have guessed , I did in fact try and pull it under him many times only to watch it crawl back out like a snail - Meanwhile I am scouring thru the BYC forums looking for answers----

 

1) First question I have is why hasn't anybody addressed how long curing has been taking them for bumblefoot ?

2 weeks .... 6 months ?  When to quit and when to realize that your on the right track and just give things time.

 

2) After giving ANY kind of medication orally or externally how long must you wait before you put your bird down and or how long before you drop your bird is it considered safe to do so --- or maybe the bird is no longer meant for human consumption...

 

Ok so getting back on Track --with  1 leg over extended and the other hoisted up in the air like a landing wheel on a plane and one tiny other problem ........his mass seemed to push him forward into the dirt or whatever was in front of him like he was giving up...Honestly I thought he was dying pretty face laying face down like that -

 

Ok so meanwhile  I stumbled across hobbles ( something we also use for horses) ....  and started thinking about what I was observing and despite how strong he is I used a cotton rope ( again from horses) . Cotton rope had 3 main twisted in itself and I ripped one strand from that . Rolled my turky on his side ( wings folded , bumbled leg first ) and we did a barrel roll - lol  Now Mind you he is just laying there looking at me and I used to hear stories about those spurs getting you - well my bird wasn't fighting in fact he layed there totally calm  and I hobbled him just below the spurs so the hobble wouldn't slide back and defeat the purpose..

 

The silly hobble actually worked !   The bird sits upright, pulls the splayed leg inwards while pulling the injured leg down... and more important I think it looks like the bird has more control and has been monitored for 2 days now drinking and eating - 

 

So I am at crossroads here - I have heard about slings , I have read about manually leg therapy- but how long do you do these things ? How long in the sling ?..............Am I on the right track ?....  How long do I baby this Tom before I realize he is past healing and getting back on his sassy feet ?... 

And is it bad for a turkey to be on his stomach ALL DAY/NIGHT?  while he is healing ??Cause I read that they develop flat spots behind their legs from sitting to long and that messes up the tendons?...  Causes "cement" memory about using their legs or lack there of using their legs ---- 

 

Mind you I am not asking for a medical advice here -- I am seeking very knowledgeable - been there done that people 

 

 Thank you everybody for anything you can throw at me - 

post #2 of 5
What variety of turkey (heritage/broad breasted)? You can try suspending him in a sling (example to work off of):
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/73670/advice-please-should-i-put-this-pullet-down-update-rip-scarlet/20#post_782406

Other than that and keeping him on soft, clean bedding - not much. Should mention that the formerly good leg contracting, sure sounds like a slipped tendon and that is VERY difficult to treat (successfully) in an adult turk.

Wish I could offer more hopeful advice, as you've obviously gone the extra mile for the fellow. Try the sling and I'll keep my fingers crossed that that works.

Withdrawal times on meds is based on the meds given.
post #3 of 5
Thread Starter 

Hello and HI Ivan !! - I have a White American turkey , 

 

I have read about the slings and what not , but how long does the guy sit in the sling ?  Hours ..? Or is this a 24 hour setup ?  How long  was the sling used?  2-4 weeks....a few months ? Does the bird sleep in the sling at night?

 

This is where there is no info and I get highly frustrated...

 

Mostly everybody just talks about the sling but they are not discussing how long the "therapy" was in the sling with or without foods and water. I.e. did they ever take  the bird out of the sling ?....

 

Thank you very much for getting back with me. 

 

As much as it would be easy to start prepping the bird for the freezer.  I don't have a need for meat in the freezer at this time. But mostly I am trying to prove that bumblefoot can be treated and hopefully I can lear how to treat it even though this is a very heavy bird.   

 

I had though about the slipped tendon that I had read about and settled for the hobble for starters 

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Thread Starter 

I also wanted to throw out there concerning my Tom that his bowel movement is very "watered"  down form of 

diarrhea...literally ..I don't think I am allowed to post a picture of that so I won't .  But if you can picture a large puddle of water with .. oh I dunno about 30% green and a about 4% white swirl in it but still a lot of clear watery almost liquid . That's what I have on this guy for about the 3rd day .  Probably because of all the water intake hes been doing - and not so much in grains- I throw a little sprinkled crushes corn on top of the grain to encourage him eating if I don't think he's showing any interest.  

 

I have two hopefully really great ideas on slings -

 

But again I ask are these slings to hold them 24/7 or just for a period of time each day? - this will help me understand what I need to do with my build . 

 

Also - are their feet supposed to be on the ground from the sling or just dangle so they can move there feet about ?

 

 

 

Thanks for the help!

post #5 of 5
I posted up speckledhen's sling as an arrangement to riff off of. American White? I'm going to assume the tom is a commercial Broad Breasted White. Even with an excellent sling, a heavy turk should only be left in it for 1-2 hrs at a time with just enough wt. off feet that feet touch the ground (bear some wt. on good leg) - any longer and a really heavy boy could probably suffocate (I'd keep a close eye on breathing, initially, so as to determine whether adjustments need to be made - angled away/back from wt. being thrown forward to chest - wt.distribution should be the same as when he's standing). The reason this gets frustrating is that very few members have the information to provide (bad leg/foot? freezer camp). We doctored a Broad Breasted jake from poult to 4.5 months (spraddle leg/curled toes). He was getting around fine, with barely a limp - and then he flew off the back deck (only three feet off of ground) and if he'd never landed he'd have been fine sad.png

A "template" for a sling could be as simple as one of those canvas firewood carriers: http://www.amazon.com/Canvas-Kindling-Closed-Duffle-Carrier/dp/B00120VVZ0

Description of droppings don't say much more than his feed intake is low (what is his standard ration?). Get an old bathroom scale & weigh yourself & turk together, and then you'll have a baseline wt. to work from. Then weigh feed in morning & and again at dark for a week. This will allow you to decrease feed in a measured fashion (only need to cut back to 4/5th of usual daily amount). Sometimes the slow decrease in wt. is useful. Make sure feed is as easily accessible as is the water.

You could also dose with Aspirin (2.5 mg per pound, tid) to treat for inflammation. We used a much larger dose, to good effect, in our roo: Roo: 8 lb/10 mg per lb = 1, 81 mg chewable cardiac Aspirin. We simply crushed Aspirin into a powder, daubed up with grapes and the roo wolfed them down. Once crushed, the aspirin powder could easily be subdivided into "equal" piles (so as to pretty accurately adjust dosage).
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