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post #11 of 18

I would advise against doing subcutaneous fluids. The fluids that are formulated for this are 1) a special PH  2) different formulations 3) depending on what you use, a "salt" water can dehydrate worse. Birds are difficult to give SC fluids too..I worked for an avian veterinarian for several years and the skin is very tight, and you have to be very careful where you enter. Besides the correct fluids (Lactated Ringer Solution, Normosol, Plasmalyte, NACL 0.9% or 0.45%) you also need a sterile needle. 

Please see if a veterinarian is in your area- there is a link with area avian veterinarians on this site.

As far as blood loss- birds cannot lose much before getting into trouble, hence why a broken blood feather can be an emergency. 

 

If her crop has blood in it, I would hope she would digest/pass the blood...Trying to get it out would risk aspiration of it into her respiratory system. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!

post #12 of 18
If you subcutaneously inject your hen with anything besides something medically appropriate, you will just add to her many problems. Blood in her crop will digest.

Tube feeding her to keep her hydrated may be your only option to save her life.
post #13 of 18

See if she is willing to eat some sugar water or raw yolk if you hold it up for her. If she simply won't, an emergency trip to Petsmart/Petco or your local feed store is in order. We need to make sure she is hydrated and that the wound doesn't get infected. I hope you are able to get transportation soon.

 

You'll need a 60ml syringe and silicon aquarium tubing (that's what I use anyway) for tube hydration.

 

Here is Casportpony's thread on tube feeding. --> http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/805728/go-team-tube-feeding

 

I am sorry for your troubles and that you had to go through such an awful experience.

 

Could you please post pictures of the canker and the wound it left behind if possible? A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

I'm sure we will do the best we can to help your poor mama.

 

You're doing a great job!

 

MrsB

Australorp Chickens | Nigerian Dwarf and mini-Alpine Goats | American Blue Rabbits

 

"If not now, when?"

 

Luke 22:36

Then said He unto them,

“But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it

and likewise his pack; and he that hath no sword,

let him sell his garment and buy one."

 

How I lost 70 lbs (and kept it off!): www.marksdailyapple.com

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Australorp Chickens | Nigerian Dwarf and mini-Alpine Goats | American Blue Rabbits

 

"If not now, when?"

 

Luke 22:36

Then said He unto them,

“But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it

and likewise his pack; and he that hath no sword,

let him sell his garment and buy one."

 

How I lost 70 lbs (and kept it off!): www.marksdailyapple.com

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post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 

I am sorry I should have merged these posts together my fault sorry. I have been in contact throughout this chickens sickness. 

I did make a mess of these posts by starting new threads :he

I was scared I might not get an answer in time. Not saying I haven't always got a fairly quick response I was just a wee bit frantic when I thought she was dead twice. She is doing AMAZING by the way! I managed to get entire piece out in one shot, after days of fiddling with it. I am not saying she may not still die .but shes perky, alert and showing a tiny interest in water bowl! I have discovered a couple things that I would like to share with you all soon as I get a little rest, lol Thanks Kathy for all your advice and tips very helpful! All of you that have responded with your thoughts and links and opinions, I'd like to Thank you all for your time and effort :bow

Below are the threads I started about this chicken;

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1083071/swollen-face-cheeks

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1086253/excellent-tube-feeder-makes-it-much-easier

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1087943/newer-picture-of-growth

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lynnsfarm View Post
 

I don't have either of those on hand right now my car isn't here either. Should I hydrate her with just some water under skin, is it crucial that I do it immediately or can I let her rest a few hours? So 2 or 3 ml straight water under skin?  Skin at shoulders a good spot?  thanks

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by enola View Post

If you are going to hydrate her with water under the skin, I think it has to be sterile water....

Only  Lactated Ringers solution or Normal Saline for injection should be given under the skin. 


Edited by Eggcessive - 3/17/16 at 9:33am
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 

I am just tubing water and electrolytes into her as well as food. She really wants to go outside now, but is too thin and she still cant see where her food is unfortunately. There is still more canker in her if you can believe that! I am continuing with the fish  zole  and I think I will give her another shot of Baytril to fight off any infection that may arise from removing the cysts. The one thing I did try which really seemed to speed up the canker releasing from her throat was putting a mixture of fresh lemon juice and diluted iodine directly onto the cysts, I only did it twice and could see the changes in it immediately. It shrank and seemed to dry up some within in 1 day. I suppose I am going to have to get her so probiotics as well now. I think she has passed the point of death now but the real question is; Has the canker effected her brain as to where she may never be able to feed or drink for herself? Time will tell I guess. I will post any new developments. Thanks for all your support!

Lynn

post #17 of 18

So happy to hear your mama is better! Way to go with the lemon and iodine thing. That's awesome.

 

I'll be interested in your follow up!

 

MrsB

Australorp Chickens | Nigerian Dwarf and mini-Alpine Goats | American Blue Rabbits

 

"If not now, when?"

 

Luke 22:36

Then said He unto them,

“But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it

and likewise his pack; and he that hath no sword,

let him sell his garment and buy one."

 

How I lost 70 lbs (and kept it off!): www.marksdailyapple.com

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Australorp Chickens | Nigerian Dwarf and mini-Alpine Goats | American Blue Rabbits

 

"If not now, when?"

 

Luke 22:36

Then said He unto them,

“But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it

and likewise his pack; and he that hath no sword,

let him sell his garment and buy one."

 

How I lost 70 lbs (and kept it off!): www.marksdailyapple.com

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post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 

I put the lemon juice iodine mixture on her again there were still a few spots of canker visible. Yesterday all I had to do was wipe on them with a dry q-tip and they rolled right out! I really think it does help. Along with the fishzole for internal and treating it externally it seemed to speed up the process so I could get the stuff out of her mouth. Next time I wont be pulling a huge lump out until it shows a bit more signs of it "dying" out. Although Kathy is 100% correct about getting a mass out right away if it is restricting breathing or eating /drinking! Just be prepared for a possible major bleed as she mentioned. Have cotton balls, towels, and sink ready. The blow dryer is important to keep from getting hypothermia.

 

For Major Bleed after pulling out canker mass

I just kept using a half piece cotton ball in mouth to soak up blood (don't let cotton ball go too far down I had to use hemostats to pull it out once) then put her neck area under cold running water. I repeated this 3 or 4 times. The bird may appear dead just put its neck (not face) under cold water it should shake its head.  After bleed stopped I immediately used blow dryer on medium heat far enough away as to not burn her this was to dry her feathers and to get her body temperature back up. Then I kept her close to my body wrapped in a towel for awhile. When  she perked up I put her in cage with heating pad under her paper. She was fine the next morning.

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