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@@debi1, ivermectin is pretty much useless as poultry de-wormer. Get yourself some fenbendazole (Safeguard or Panacur). I think the liquid is prescription only in Canada, but the horse paste is over the counter. Dose of liquid or paste is 0.23 ml per pound orally for five consecutive days. This dose of fenbendazole will treat most worms.

Albendazole (Valbazen) could also be used, but I'm not sure what dose is needed to treat all worms.

-Kathy

 

My first suspicion is a bacterial infection, but we all jump to the conclusion that best fits our personal experiences.  A fecal exam is the first best course of action, why would anyone treat for an ailment when you don't know what you are treating for?

 

Could the OP post a very close close-up of the face for us to look at?  Like this;

 

 

Both of these boys were suffering from a bacterial infection.  Had I gone blindly into de-worming them they both would have died.  I can not stress the importance of Fecal Float Exams, if you can't find someone to do them buy the equipment and start doing them yourself.

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Black Copper Marans, Easter Eggers, Mutts, ducks, and PEAFOWL!!!  India Blue, IB White Eye, IB Pied WE split Cameo, IB Silver Pied, IBBS, IBBS split Cameo, IBBS Pied, IBBS WE, Cameo, CBS (Oaten), Cameo Pied, CPWE, CSP, and Purple Black Shoulder. African Gray Parrots, a bunch of those dang guineas.  Oh, and honeybees, around 200 hives.  And two Great Pyrenees puppies.

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Black Copper Marans, Easter Eggers, Mutts, ducks, and PEAFOWL!!!  India Blue, IB White Eye, IB Pied WE split Cameo, IB Silver Pied, IBBS, IBBS split Cameo, IBBS Pied, IBBS WE, Cameo, CBS (Oaten), Cameo Pied, CPWE, CSP, and Purple Black Shoulder. African Gray Parrots, a bunch of those dang guineas.  Oh, and honeybees, around 200 hives.  And two Great Pyrenees puppies.

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post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by casportpony View Post

@@debi1, ivermectin is pretty much useless as poultry de-wormer. Get yourself some fenbendazole (Safeguard or Panacur). I think the liquid is prescription only in Canada, but the horse paste is over the counter. Dose of liquid or paste is 0.23 ml per pound orally for five consecutive days. This dose of fenbendazole will treat most worms.


Albendazole (Valbazen) could also be used, but I'm not sure what dose is needed to treat all worms.


-Kathy

My first suspicion is a bacterial infection, but we all jump to the conclusion that best fits our personal experiences.  A fecal exam is the first best course of action, why would anyone treat for an ailment when you don't know what you are treating for?

Could the OP post a very close close-up of the face for us to look at?  Like this;






Both of these boys were suffering from a bacterial infection.  Had I gone blindly into de-worming them they both would have died.  I can not stress the importance of Fecal Float Exams, if you can't find someone to do them buy the equipment and start doing them yourself.

Fecal floats should be done, no doubt, as should gram stains and cultures to rule in or out bacterial infections. As for worming a sick bird with something like Safeguard or Panacur (fenbendazole) which is *very* safe, it's something I *always* do, but I don't stop there, I also provide supportive care (heat, fluids and tube feeding) and appropriate medication(s).

Living in Canada does make it harder because Canadians can't get many of the medications that we can get here.

One should also keep in mind that a negative fecal egg count just means that nothing was found in *that* sample, it does not mean that they don't have parasites. There was one person here 2-3 years ago that had such a test done that was negative one day, but 3 days later the vet found that the bird had a severe infestation of coccidiosis *and* capillary worms. FWIW, this was a person that had been using ivermectin topically and 3cc Safeguard in the water.

-Kathy
post #13 of 15
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Fecal floats should be done, no doubt, as should gram stains and cultures to rule in or out bacterial infections. As for worming a sick bird with something like Safeguard or Panacur (fenbendazole) which is *very* safe, it's something I *always* do, but I don't stop there, I also provide supportive care (heat, fluids and tube feeding) and appropriate medication(s).

Living in Canada does make it harder because Canadians can't get many of the medications that we can get here.

One should also keep in mind that a negative fecal egg count just means that nothing was found in *that* sample, it does not mean that they don't have parasites. There was one person here 2-3 years ago that had such a test done that was negative one day, but 3 days later the vet found that the bird had a severe infestation of coccidiosis *and* capillary worms. FWIW, this was a person that had been using ivermectin topically and 3cc Safeguard in the water.

-Kathy

 

Certainly giving a dose of Safeguard will not hurt even though worms may not be the problem.  My concern is that time is of the essence and by not giving the correct treatment just wastes precious time that could have been utilized more effectively.  Having done a few Fecal exams I know how easily someone could miss cocci, I suspect that not all lab techs are created equally.  Worm eggs are fairly easy to see, cocci are a fraction of their size and if your tech is not very experienced you could very likely get a false negative.  

 

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Black Copper Marans, Easter Eggers, Mutts, ducks, and PEAFOWL!!!  India Blue, IB White Eye, IB Pied WE split Cameo, IB Silver Pied, IBBS, IBBS split Cameo, IBBS Pied, IBBS WE, Cameo, CBS (Oaten), Cameo Pied, CPWE, CSP, and Purple Black Shoulder. African Gray Parrots, a bunch of those dang guineas.  Oh, and honeybees, around 200 hives.  And two Great Pyrenees puppies.

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NPIP # KS-412

Black Copper Marans, Easter Eggers, Mutts, ducks, and PEAFOWL!!!  India Blue, IB White Eye, IB Pied WE split Cameo, IB Silver Pied, IBBS, IBBS split Cameo, IBBS Pied, IBBS WE, Cameo, CBS (Oaten), Cameo Pied, CPWE, CSP, and Purple Black Shoulder. African Gray Parrots, a bunch of those dang guineas.  Oh, and honeybees, around 200 hives.  And two Great Pyrenees puppies.

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post #14 of 15
How is your peacock today?
post #15 of 15

Take a look here : http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/941731/peafowl-poop-normal-and-abnormal-lots-of-poop-pictures

I think perhaps BLACKHEAD !

Against resperatory disease ... Tylan work more than well !

Toxic agents are in the litter inside the barn ... peacock are flying then there are in the air .

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