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The picture posted is just for coccidia (Eimeria)!   Those aren't even the worms!

 

I have my textbooks; but I do not feel comfortable scanning the pages.  In lieau of that, here are some worms for you to look up.  

I could bore you with the scientific names, but just as a generality, look up these worms and their respective eggs:

Trematodes, nematodes, capillaria, tetrameres, acanthocephala.

 

If you are looking for a great resource, at the medical level I would highly recommend an older version of Diseases of Poultry or Manual of Poultry Diseases.  These are two resources I use frequently for my work.  I will give the caveat, diseases do not read the book.  Please remember that with all advice you get on this site, including what I am saying.  

post #52 of 56

From the peafowl forum:

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1047614/doing-fecal-floats-at-home/100#post_16744426

 

Posted by Zeppley

 

"I've been trying to get some good pictures (without much luck).  

Here is one.  I love these - easy to identify!  

Everything below is from fecal smears, some stained.

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-13 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 100 X; um/pixel: 0.378800 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 100 X Calibration = 0.378800 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 2 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

 

But then there are these UFOs...none as good as KSKingBee's microscopic exploding pea..

Quote:
 LL

 

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

 

Somebody's cyst...

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-23 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 10 X; um/pixel: 0.378800 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 10 X Calibration = 0.378800 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 0 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

This is a smear from a cloacal swab - poor bird!

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-23 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

Higher magnification of above

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

another shot - maybe the big one is a Giardia cyst...

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

 

There were lots of these little green football-like things with no obvious internal structure....

They are on a background of rod-type things

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

 

This is a clearer view of the rod-type things.  Yeast perhaps?

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

 

Here's an iodine stain of them

 

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-20 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 100 X; um/pixel: 0.039530 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 100 X Calibration = 0.039530 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 2 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

This is a gram stain of a cecal poop smear.  All the

stained things in this photo are much smaller than the rods above.

I'm hoping these might be from the probiotics...."

 

-Kathy


Edited by casportpony - 4/4/16 at 9:32am
post #53 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by luxbwinDVM View Post

The picture posted is just for coccidia (Eimeria)!   Those aren't even the worms!

I have my textbooks; but I do not feel comfortable scanning the pages.  In lieau of that, here are some worms for you to look up.  
I could bore you with the scientific names, but just as a generality, look up these worms and their respective eggs:
Trematodes, nematodes, capillaria, tetrameres, acanthocephala.

If you are looking for a great resource, at the medical level I would highly recommend an older version of Diseases of Poultry or Manual of Poultry Diseases.  These are two resources I use frequently for my work.  I will give the caveat, diseases do not read the book.  Please remember that with all advice you get on this site, including what I am saying.  

I'm gonna have to look into getting those, especially the one that has so many contributions from H.L. Shivaprasad.

Sorry if I confused the issue by posting a picture of the different coccidia... Guess I was just getting ahead of myself, but I figured that since many people try to treat coccidia with ACV, garlic, etc, thought it would be a good idea to have it.

-Kathy
post #54 of 56

Go Team Valbazen!!

 

:highfive:

 

MrsB

Australorp Chickens | Nigerian Dwarf and mini-Alpine Goats | American Blue Rabbits

 

"If not now, when?"

 

Luke 22:36

Then said He unto them,

“But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it

and likewise his pack; and he that hath no sword,

let him sell his garment and buy one."

 

How I lost 70 lbs (and kept it off!): www.marksdailyapple.com

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Australorp Chickens | Nigerian Dwarf and mini-Alpine Goats | American Blue Rabbits

 

"If not now, when?"

 

Luke 22:36

Then said He unto them,

“But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it

and likewise his pack; and he that hath no sword,

let him sell his garment and buy one."

 

How I lost 70 lbs (and kept it off!): www.marksdailyapple.com

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post #55 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by casportpony View Post

From the peafowl forum:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1047614/doing-fecal-floats-at-home/100#post_16744426

Posted by Zeppley

"I've been trying to get some good pictures (without much luck).  
Here is one.  I love these - easy to identify!  
Everything below is from fecal smears, some stained.

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-13 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 100 X; um/pixel: 0.378800 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 100 X Calibration = 0.378800 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 2 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047


But then there are these UFOs...none as good as KSKingBee's microscopic exploding pea..


[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047


Somebody's cyst...

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-23 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 10 X; um/pixel: 0.378800 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 10 X Calibration = 0.378800 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 0 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

This is a smear from a cloacal swab - poor bird!

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-23 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

Higher magnification of above

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

another shot - maybe the big one is a Giardia cyst...

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047


There were lots of these little green football-like things with no obvious internal structure....
They are on a background of rod-type things

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047


This is a clearer view of the rod-type things.  Yeast perhaps?

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-24 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 45 X; um/pixel: 0.078580 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 45 X Calibration = 0.078580 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 1 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047


Here's an iodine stain of them

[MICAMUserComment] [MICAMSystemComment] Capture SampleDate = 2016-03-20 Celestron_Bausch and Lomb; Obj: 100 X; um/pixel: 0.039530 [MICAMMCSystemComment] Revision = 2000 Magnification = 100 X Calibration = 0.039530 MCsystem = Celestron_Bausch and Lomb CaptureWidth = 640 NrOfObjectives = 3 ImageObj = 2 obj0 = 10 objstr0 = 10 cal0 = 0.378787878787879 obj1 = 45 objstr1 = 45 cal1 = 0.0785840967675576 obj2 = 100 objstr2 = 100 oil cal2 = 0.0395256916996047

This is a gram stain of a cecal poop smear.  All the
stained things in this photo are much smaller than the rods above.
I'm hoping these might be from the probiotics...."

-Kathy

th.gifbarnie.gif I guess I'm gonna have to play around with different remedies and see if the colorful specks go away lol. lau.gif How are pictures taken through a microscope? big_smile.png
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Go Team Valbazen!!

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MrsB

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