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Unabsorbed yolk sac? Hernia? Please help???

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This is my first time trying to hatch chickens, we accidentally acquired a rooster and within a few weeks of having him we had a broody hen so I thought it would be a great experience for myself and the kids. We only had 1 other Sussex laying so Each day she payed her egg for a week I put it under the broody. This is probably my 1st mistake as obviously they will all due on different days. But I wasn't prepared for this. We had 1 chick hatch on day 21, all went smoothly and chick is strong and healthy. The next day another pipped. We waited for hours and I kept an eye on it. i found the pop when we woke in the morning so not sure how long exactly it had started but I checked on it regularly throughout the day and no signs of zipping. I'd read it could take 24hours or more so I left it, not worried. But when I came back at about 4:30 yesterday afternoon the egg was fairly crushed and the chick was out of the egg on its side with what I thought was in absorbed yolk. I'm glad I found it when I did because the mother was pecking at the sac so it had ruptured. There was a little bloom and yolk but it wasn't like it was bleeding continuously. I removed the chick and set up a temporary brooder box with a lamp and the humidifier. I left it here hoping it would absorb what was left. Well this morning chick is well and getting around ok. The sac (if that's even what it is) has dried, shrivelled up and gone a Blackish red colour. The chick is eating and drinking well but now I'm not sure what to do. The more I read the more unsure I am about what it is. The navel looks pretty nasty and I'm worried about infection. Will it fall off as it dries? Should I cut it off where it has dried? Is it possible some of her organs have come out?? Below is a photo of what it looks like now almost 24hours after I found it out of the shell.
post #2 of 9
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Anyone??? I should also mention that yesterday afternoon after watching another pipped egg I found the same thing, egg crushed but this time chick was still inside deceased ūüėĒ I have a feeling the mum is doing it??
So I have located an incubator and have put the remaining 3 eggs in there. I don't know if this was a good thing or not but I didn't want to risk the same thing happening a third time.
post #3 of 9
I would leave it alone and let it fall off on its own. Trying to detach it yourself would probably cause it to bleed profusely and possibly die.

Every day is a gift... enjoy it...

 
White & Buff Ameraucanas, & also Bantam Lavender/Self Blue Ameraucanas
 

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Every day is a gift... enjoy it...

 
White & Buff Ameraucanas, & also Bantam Lavender/Self Blue Ameraucanas
 

2 kids, 1 cat, and lots of chickens (mostly Ameraucanas)

 

 

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post #4 of 9

I strongly recommend getting the chick on antibiotics asap. Your chick is ripe for a bad case of omphalitis (infected naval) as it has both an un-closed naval and an unabsorbed yolk sac that was ruptured. All this has allowed bacteria to enter into the chicks abdominal cavity where it is warm and fed by the remainder of the yolk. Gross infection is close at hand. You'll recognize it by a puffy, squishy belly, often squishy legs (termed squishy chick syndrome). It is the number one killer of newly hatched chicks and almost always ensues with open naval cases.

 

I would not try to remove the yolk sac but allow it to continue to dry and drop off.

 

It is a good sign that the chick is up and running around. Place Chick Saver in its water as well as a broad spectrum antibiotic like Duramycin-10 (tetracycline) or Tylan (oxtetracycline). You can get those at the feed store.

 

You should keep the chick separate in a brooder on antibiotics for 10 days, then reassess.

 

I'd also have it on medicated chick start as its lowered immune system will likely be vulnerable to coccidia overgrowth as well (another "blessing" in dirty situations aided by heated brooders).

 

Good luck with the little one. It sounds like it is hardy having survived thus far and running around.

 

And since you have children and are using this as a learning experience, I'll link my favorite video and 4H worksheets to show exactly what happens in embryo growth and hatch (and you'll see what should have happened with that egg sac).

 

Embryo Growth to hatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PedajVADLGw

 

4H Egg/Chick Unit  https://catalog.extension.oregonstate.edu/sites/catalog.extension.oregonstate.edu/files/project/pdf/4-h1500.pdf

 

LofMc

Keeper of 15+ layers, common to specialty types for colorful egg baskets. Brooding Queens: The Queen Mum Silkie and 2 Bantam Cochin handmaids. Preparing to breed my own Olive Eggers! Barnevelder roo with Splash Marans and CL for egg color and color coding :D Former 4H leader, GDB Puppy Raiser, Homeschooler. Current ESL tutor. Proud new grandma. Loving wife to a very tolerant husband.
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Keeper of 15+ layers, common to specialty types for colorful egg baskets. Brooding Queens: The Queen Mum Silkie and 2 Bantam Cochin handmaids. Preparing to breed my own Olive Eggers! Barnevelder roo with Splash Marans and CL for egg color and color coding :D Former 4H leader, GDB Puppy Raiser, Homeschooler. Current ESL tutor. Proud new grandma. Loving wife to a very tolerant husband.
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post #5 of 9
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Thank you CGilbert and Lady of McCamley! And thanks so much for the learning resources smile.png I live in in a very small town where the local feed store and get is over 4 hours away. But I'll get a hold of the vet and hopefully they can mail something out to me. I have it on chick starter, is that the same thing or is the medicated one different? The sac is drying out nicely and I'm hoping it will drop off soon. The chick is definitely getting stronger and I'm feeling more and more confident he will be ok. Not so confident on the last 3 eggs that haven't hatched though. ūüėĒ
post #6 of 9
You can purchase Duramycin 10 at Amazon or something like Jeffers Supply (Google it).

I like to keep some on hand because it is always an emergency when you need it.
Animal Treatment, Duramycin 10, Net WT. 6.4oz https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JNRRI3I/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_knPcxbMRRNVSK

It is a good sign the chick is running around, but caution is still warranted. I personally have never had open naval that did not end in infection.

Watch your brooding hen. By day 3 she should be up taking care of all hatched chicks. The risk is she will sit with unhatched chicks ignoring her older babies' needs or abandon the nest to start taking the older chicks out giving them scratching lessons and the like.

If you are really lucky and food and water is close for the babies, she might be able to sit the last eggs out.

This is why eggs should be set at the same time. Nature allows a 2 day stagger, but beyond that someone usually suffers.

Hopefully all works out well.
LofMc
Keeper of 15+ layers, common to specialty types for colorful egg baskets. Brooding Queens: The Queen Mum Silkie and 2 Bantam Cochin handmaids. Preparing to breed my own Olive Eggers! Barnevelder roo with Splash Marans and CL for egg color and color coding :D Former 4H leader, GDB Puppy Raiser, Homeschooler. Current ESL tutor. Proud new grandma. Loving wife to a very tolerant husband.
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Keeper of 15+ layers, common to specialty types for colorful egg baskets. Brooding Queens: The Queen Mum Silkie and 2 Bantam Cochin handmaids. Preparing to breed my own Olive Eggers! Barnevelder roo with Splash Marans and CL for egg color and color coding :D Former 4H leader, GDB Puppy Raiser, Homeschooler. Current ESL tutor. Proud new grandma. Loving wife to a very tolerant husband.
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post #7 of 9
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Thanks guys. I removed all other eggs from the hen and incubated them but looks none of them are viable.
Update on the chick, the vet was putting some antibiotic on the bus to reach me today but it's too late sad.png she seemed fine last night before I went to bed but when I checked on her this morning she had died through the night ūüė™ Thanks for the info guys. I will be more prepared for next time now.
post #8 of 9
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And I think I'll use an incubator instead of a broody hen as it clearly didn't turn out well with her this time. 8 eggs and only 1 chick ūüėĒ But a happy healthy chick at least.
post #9 of 9

Bummer. Sorry to hear of the loss. Yes, that's how fast omphalitis works...all that deadly microbe brewing in the gut.

 

If you have an incidence like this again, remove immediately and isolate in a brooder with immediate application of antibiotics, eye droppered if need be.

 

I've saved several that way. It is important to keep them on the antibiotics for 10 days, then they are usually just fine. I at that time give them a good round of probiotics and keep them on medicated chick feed as I know their immune has been compromised already.

 

Better luck next time with your hatches. At least you got one healthy baby.

 

Broodies work well, but you do have to plan for them and work at ideal set up to get great hatches. (At least I do...there are those on BYC who just have hens sit wherever, whenever, and it comes out fine...but that's not been my experience. I have a dedicated brooding hutch and run and separate and isolate a hen so she can tend to her business without interruption. Set all eggs at the same time. Check at day 3 and 10, removing any bad (no development). With a good hen, I've had good hatches. Finding a good broody is worth its weight in gold. Your gal would have had a better chance with eggs set at the same time. Staggered hatches rarely come out well.)

 

LofMc


Edited by Lady of McCamley - 4/11/16 at 9:47pm
Keeper of 15+ layers, common to specialty types for colorful egg baskets. Brooding Queens: The Queen Mum Silkie and 2 Bantam Cochin handmaids. Preparing to breed my own Olive Eggers! Barnevelder roo with Splash Marans and CL for egg color and color coding :D Former 4H leader, GDB Puppy Raiser, Homeschooler. Current ESL tutor. Proud new grandma. Loving wife to a very tolerant husband.
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Keeper of 15+ layers, common to specialty types for colorful egg baskets. Brooding Queens: The Queen Mum Silkie and 2 Bantam Cochin handmaids. Preparing to breed my own Olive Eggers! Barnevelder roo with Splash Marans and CL for egg color and color coding :D Former 4H leader, GDB Puppy Raiser, Homeschooler. Current ESL tutor. Proud new grandma. Loving wife to a very tolerant husband.
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