LOL. I agree with you there. But, I have seen and raised the ayam cermani. It looks a lot like them, plus they are not big birds. Remember, that TSC doesn't raise their birds. They have three suppliers, that I know and have promised not to disclose. Last year, I bought some of TSC's birds. I thought I was buying Minorcas, I ended up with Australorps. Just goes to show that with the TSC's birds, you can never know what you are going to get. You may luck out and get an ultra rare bird.