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When you cross two breeds to introduce a new color to a certain breed when does it go from being considered a "project" to being a purebred again?
Project to purebred
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When it meets the standard set for the breed. But… your new color may or may not be an accepted color.
"Purebred" in the poultry world means it displays the breed characteristics described and set for the breed. The new color must also be accepted as a new variety. That has become an increasingly difficult task to accomplish. You will need to be a member of the association (APA) for example, for 5 years and 5-10 other breeders must also be working on the variety and display them at qualifying shows. The process is intentionally difficult.
"Purebred" in the poultry world means it displays the breed characteristics described and set for the breed. The new color must also be accepted as a new variety. That has become an increasingly difficult task to accomplish. You will need to be a member of the association (APA) for example, for 5 years and 5-10 other breeders must also be working on the variety and display them at qualifying shows. The process is intentionally difficult.
In what "poultry world" does "purebred" mean "it displays the breed characteristics described and set for the breed"? In your definition, a bird could be considered purebred for a breed, and not contain a drop of that breed in its body. To me, that would not be purebred. When that bird is bred to birds of the breed it mimics, the offspring would not be purebred either, no matter if they fit the standard for a particular breed exactly, and win big shows. It would take a few generations of breeding away from that bird until the offspring could start to be considered purebred. Honestly, it is difficult to find true purebred birds in many breeds/varieties. Maybe it is because people are taking this same attitude.
Rod-T
Songster
people breed purebred to purebred.. atleast the breeders that are aiming for the sop... if the mix a breed in it will mess them up for generations. . They wouldn't take the risk... it's the hatcheries that don't breed true to the breed.. there not aiming for the sop
Actually, this is how the breeds were originally made. They didn't walk out of the jungle as Barred Plymouth Rocks or Columbian Rocks, etc.
Actually, it is precisely this risk that breeders sometimes must take to re-create the breed if it is necessary due to no longer having good examples to work with. Sometimes, the situation requires some "re-mixing" of the elements of composite breeds to actually return the birds to being good examples of the breed. Yes, the processes involved often take a decade of work to straighten out.
We cannot judge birds according to genotype, as we do not keep stud books as is done with dogs or horses. We can only judge the phenotype, that which is seen and judged against a detailed breed description called the breed's standard.
Rod-T
Songster
Yes the op is trying to create a diferent variety. . So they would have to..
I know all chickens breeds are a result of mixing breeds..
I just ment that breeders like yourself.. wouldn't risk breeding something in with your rhode island red. . If you needed new genetics.. you would just get some more rhode island reds from someone else. .
That there is true. Very true. But "needing" new genetics isn't what folks typically think it is. Just sayin'.
Breed right and you don't need anything for decades.
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elevatedruby
In the Brooder
how hard would it be to make a base rhode island red or barred rock. like taking the breeds that it is assumed to have and making the chicks. is it even possible
Rod-T
Songster
long time.. if you can find the breeds anymore that was used to recreate them.. then be a long road..and may never be right.. and why. They still exist. . So might as well breed what already exists
elevatedruby
In the Brooder
ok so no remaking reds got it. lol i have hatchery quality BR and RIR and i also have 3 brunners i wanted to cross some sort of way to make a better meatier BR or RIR. is that possible?
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