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here is "The Living Bible" translation , do you find it difficult ? Which verses do you need help with? I do not want to wait a week, I will help you now

 

Luke 16

 

19 “There was a certain rich man,” Jesus said, “who was splendidly clothed and lived each day in mirth and luxury. 20 One day Lazarus, a diseased beggar, was laid at his door. 21 As he lay there longing for scraps from the rich man’s table, the dogs would come and lick his open sores. 22 Finally the beggar died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham in the place of the righteous dead. The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and his soul went into hell. There, in torment, he saw Lazarus in the far distance with Abraham.

24 “‘Father Abraham,’ he shouted, ‘have some pity! Send Lazarus over here if only to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in these flames.’

25 “But Abraham said to him, ‘Son, remember that during your lifetime you had everything you wanted, and Lazarus had nothing. So now he is here being comforted and you are in anguish. 26 And besides, there is a great chasm separating us, and anyone wanting to come to you from here is stopped at its edge; and no one over there can cross to us.’

27 “Then the rich man said, ‘O Father Abraham, then please send him to my father’s home— 28 for I have five brothers—to warn them about this place of torment lest they come here when they die.’

29 “But Abraham said, ‘The Scriptures have warned them again and again. Your brothers can read them any time they want to.’

30 “The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham, they won’t bother to read them. But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will turn from their sins.’

31 “But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen even though someone rises from the dead.’”

now i get it. Thanks!

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Luke 16
19 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20 And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22 Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

What's it mean? I have a lot of trouble understanding scriptures and verses if it's not word for word about what they mean

THAT, my friend is one of the reasons why it's so important for you to get into a good Bible teaching church.  


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Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

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Luke 16
19 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20 And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22 Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Oh I love this one... It leaves me thinking and digging around in the concordance lol... I'm curious of a few things though...

1. It isn't written as a parable, so is it a parable, or is it, in fact, a truth in a truth? Since He uses real names and doesn't tell it like an allegory but a "history" lesson...

2. Did this occur before or after He brought Lazarus, Mary and Martha's brother, back from the dead?

3. The irony! Those who refused to listen to Abraham and the prophets when they warned them of hell, wouldn't even listen to Jesus when He was flat out telling them that they still wouldn't listen after a man had been raised from the dead, when He knew He was on his way to be sacrificed for them.

It's a sad kind of irony, the blind continuing to willingly be blind. sad.png
Edited by shortgrass - 12/16/16 at 4:37am
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my...
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The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my...
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Luke 16
19 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20 And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22 Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Oh I love this one... It leaves me thinking and digging around in the concordance lol... I'm curious of a few things though...

1. It isn't written as a parable, so is it a parable, or is it, in fact, a truth in a truth? Since He uses real names and doesn't tell it like an allegory but a "history" lesson...

2. Did this occur before or after He brought Lazarus, Mary and Martha's brother, back from the dead?

3. The irony! Those who refused to listen to Abraham and the prophets when they warned them of hell, wouldn't even listen to Jesus when He was flat out telling them that they still wouldn't listen after a man had been raised from the dead, when He knew He was on his way to be sacrificed for them.

It's a sad kind of irony, the blind continuing to willingly be blind. sad.png

Interesting thought.  I don't recall off the top of my head, any of the parables in which Jesus used specific names.  But, could it be that the name Lazarus has a translation that supports the reference to this particular character?  B/C the rich man was not mentioned by name.  

Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

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Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-lazy-gardener

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/yes-you-certainly-can-brood-chicks-outdoors

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Luke 16
19 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20 And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22 Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Oh I love this one... It leaves me thinking and digging around in the concordance lol... I'm curious of a few things though...

1. It isn't written as a parable, so is it a parable, or is it, in fact, a truth in a truth? Since He uses real names and doesn't tell it like an allegory but a "history" lesson...

2. Did this occur before or after He brought Lazarus, Mary and Martha's brother, back from the dead?

3. The irony! Those who refused to listen to Abraham and the prophets when they warned them of hell, wouldn't even listen to Jesus when He was flat out telling them that they still wouldn't listen after a man had been raised from the dead, when He knew He was on his way to be sacrificed for them.

It's a sad kind of irony, the blind continuing to willingly be blind. sad.png

Interesting thought.  I don't recall off the top of my head, any of the parables in which Jesus used specific names.  But, could it be that the name Lazarus has a translation that supports the reference to this particular character?  B/C the rich man was not mentioned by name.  

Quick google search:  

The name Lazarus is a Greek baby name. In Greek the meaning of the name Lazarusis: God is my help. In the Bible, Lazarus was brother to Mary and Martha and was raised from the dead after four days.

Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

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Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-lazy-gardener

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Interesting thought.  I don't recall off the top of my head, any of the parables in which Jesus used specific names.  But, could it be that the name Lazarus has a translation that supports the reference to this particular character?  B/C the rich man was not mentioned by name.  

That's exactly why this one alwats leaves me scratching my head wink.png Its not the typical parable... Mentioning Lazarus and then what seems like a little further on in time, here He is, raising (a different?) Lazarus from the dead.. Big ol light bulb question mark for me big_smile.png

Interesting on the meaning if Lazarus..could very well be the meaning of the name bearing significance on it and just being a "coincidence" that Mary and Martha's brother would be so named.. But I haven't found too many "coincidences" in scripture, so this one just leaves me hanging... I'm OK with being left hanging, but still, ha-ha wink.png
Edited by shortgrass - 12/16/16 at 4:50am
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my...
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Luke 16
19 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20 And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22 Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Oh I love this one... It leaves me thinking and digging around in the concordance lol... I'm curious of a few things though...

1. It isn't written as a parable, so is it a parable, or is it, in fact, a truth in a truth? Since He uses real names and doesn't tell it like an allegory but a "history" lesson...

2. Did this occur before or after He brought Lazarus, Mary and Martha's brother, back from the dead?

3. The irony! Those who refused to listen to Abraham and the prophets when they warned them of hell, wouldn't even listen to Jesus when He was flat out telling them that they still wouldn't listen after a man had been raised from the dead, when He knew He was on his way to be sacrificed for them.

It's a sad kind of irony, the blind continuing to willingly be blind. sad.png


I have an opinion, since you used the quote button, here goes:

 

#1 it is something more than a parable but a parable does give us truth

 

#2 Different Lazarus, example two of the 12 disciples have the name of James and a third James wrote the book of James in the New Testament

 

#3 is sad! Cries of the Heart by Ravi Zacharias has a chapter on guilt and what we humans do with that guilt. One of the things is to pretend that there is no God, therefore no Judgement, and no Hell. Then you read Romans 1:18-20 (below) and you realize there is no excuse, everyone knows. (if you want a different translation let me know)

 

Romans 1 NASB

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Favorite Books: More Than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell, Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis, Cries of the Heart by Ravi Zacharias, I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek

 

Frank Turek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqzcDrILJ0

Brigitte Gabriel: Radical Islam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFO1AtjoUoo&app=desktop

 

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Favorite Books: More Than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell, Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis, Cries of the Heart by Ravi Zacharias, I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek

 

Frank Turek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqzcDrILJ0

Brigitte Gabriel: Radical Islam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFO1AtjoUoo&app=desktop

 

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What's it mean? I have a lot of trouble understanding scriptures and verses if it's not word for word about what they mean.....I'm dumb.

You are not dumb.  If you have humbled yourself to Jesus Christ and He's now your Lord and Master then you are a child of the King, heir to a heavenly throne, a prince or princess, you are royalty.  By accepting Him for who He is, you are more wise than the majority of the world's population, and sadly that population includes world leaders, scientists, doctors, etc.,.

 

When you study scripture, even reading verses on forums and threads such as this one, pray for discernment, understanding, and revelation (a revealing) as to what He wants you to understand.  Some scripture is meant for everyone to easily understand, some is hard for us to understand, and some scripture we won't ever understand while we are in this earthly life.  But, the scripture that He has given us and that we understand is sufficient for His purpose.  His Word  is complex, but yet so simple:  Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)  "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."

 

As for the question of the age of accountability, for me it hinges on an apple and the old serpent.  When the difference between good and evil is understood by a person then that person is at a point that they have to choose one or the other.  They then become aware of their own sin and their need for our Saviour Jesus Christ...or, they embrace evil and the darkness associated with it. 

You are by no means "dumb".  Continue your walk with Christ, it's the smartest thing anyone can do.

 

Ed

Job 27:3-6   All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;  My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.  God forbid that I should justify you: till I die I will not remove mine integrity from me.  My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.
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Job 27:3-6   All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;  My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.  God forbid that I should justify you: till I die I will not remove mine integrity from me.  My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.
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What's it mean? I have a lot of trouble understanding scriptures and verses if it's not word for word about what they mean.....I'm dumb.

Oh come on now, TONS of people have trouble understanding the Bible. Even pastors do, so don't feel bad :)

See if you can get a study bible. They have paragraphs that explain the passages.

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I love three things:                               

1. Jesus, my Lord and Saviour

2. My chickens (notably Peep)

And 3. Star wars (!!)

 

"People who count their chickens before they act very wisely, because

chickens run about so absurdly that it is impossible to count them acturatly!"

 

A really fun website:

http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#p=testall&h=1&v=2&c=bash&f=Crawford2...

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Bible scripture can confuse even the most advance scholars. Most of the time it takes God to help us understand and you can read the same verse over and over and get something you need from it. I am by no means a scholar or a pastor. I can understand feel I inadequate when in comes to our ability to understand certain verse. I have three different Bibles I switch between a king James version, a new king james version, and ncv study Bible. If I can't understand one I go to the other and then the other and if I still having issues I ask one of my mentors. Sometimes God uses others to show us something that we need help with or that we need clarified for us.if you need help understanding something just ask I know it can make you feel silly but it the best way to learn.
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