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Oh come on now, TONS of people have trouble understanding the Bible. Even pastors do, so don't feel bad :)

See if you can get a study bible. They have paragraphs that explain the passages.

 

And again these remain as interpretations by man.

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post #242 of 4412
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I am far behind in reading all the post lol I have to catchup. I am excited to see as many poster on here. I know God will do great things. Let's remember to lift up everyone who visit this page in prayer and those who have yet to meet our Savior and accept him let's remember to pray in lift them up. Let all of our answer be filled with love and grace. Souls are on the line and I hope that many more will come to Christ.
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post #243 of 4412
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Bible scripture can confuse even the most advance scholars. Most of the time it takes God to help us understand and you can read the same verse over and over and get something you need from it. I am by no means a scholar or a pastor. I can understand feel I inadequate when in comes to our ability to understand certain verse. I have three different Bibles I switch between a king James version, a new king james version, and ncv study Bible. If I can't understand one I go to the other and then the other and if I still having issues I ask one of my mentors. Sometimes God uses others to show us something that we need help with or that we need clarified for us.if you need help understanding something just ask I know it can make you feel silly but it the best way to learn.

We have many translations in our home as well. My favorite is the study Bible because it directs me to other passages that are meant to support or clarify. 

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I have read all the posts.  :)  It is important to get a good study Bible.  Strong's Concordance, Vine Expository Dictionary and a good interlinear Bible are some examples.

 

 Here are some links that will help:

 

http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/

 

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/

 

http://www.biblewebapp.com/reader/

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post #245 of 4412
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I have an opinion, since you used the quote button, here goes:

#1 it is something more than a parable but a parable does give us truth

#2 Different Lazarus, example two of the 12 disciples have the name of James and a third James wrote the book of James in the New Testament

#3 is sad! Cries of the Heart by Ravi Zacharias has a chapter on guilt and what we humans do with that guilt. One of the things is to pretend that there is no God, therefore no Judgement, and no Hell. Then you read Romans 1:18-20 (below) and you realize there is no excuse, everyone knows. (if you want a different translation let me know)

Romans 1 NASB
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Very interesting point on guilt... You know, I feel like there's a double edged sword there, so to speak, on being or feeling guilty and thinking that either it doesn't matter, or you're already saved.

I was raised in the Lutheran Church.. Baptized as an infant, confirmed, all that good stuff. But to be quite honest, I wasn't paying one bit of attention to anything that was going on. I did the confirmation thing because my mom made me. I'm serious, I wasn't listening AT ALL. All I picked up on was John 3:16. I never even thought of reading John 3:17! I figured all I had to do was believe in God and follow the 10 commandments, but even if I didn't, I was still saved since all I had to do was believe it, not actually do it. Wow, it took me 20 years before I decided to read a bit further.

I thought I was getting away with doing some seriously wrong stuff, and only when I realized what else was in that book, did I decide to start studying it a little more. Wow, does the guilt set in then! sad.png

@Flock Master64, in no way is ever asking a question pertaining to scripture dumb. God knows you seek, and he will open it to you, in HIS time. I've been poring over this book for 5 years and still amazed at how one day I'll read what I feel like is gobbledygook, and the next day, its like a light comes on and all of a sudden, it makes sense! And then it leads me to another verse, and another.. And when I get stumped, I can call on others to help clarify for me, just as you are doing smile.png

I agree with a study Bible being a huge help; I'd suggest one with a concordance. It's like a huge index to all the subjects and verses in the Bible, so you can study a topic and find all the correlating verses. It's very very helpful!
Edited by shortgrass - 12/16/16 at 8:35am
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my...
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post #246 of 4412
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OK now something I been wanting to post/talk to others about. I havent been able to make it to church as of late (started working with my husband one wensdays and sundays) but I fallen behind on studying so my plan in to start studing and go chapter by chapter (verse by verse) posting on here what verse and what I have found out about each one and my thoughts and feelings on each. I am by no means a teacher or a pastor just a Christ Follower so if you want to ask questions comment fill free and I also ask if you havent seen me post every few days in here about a verse message me keep me on track lol.
post #247 of 4412
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Very interesting point on guilt... You know, I feel like there's a double edged sword there, so to speak, on being or feeling guilty and thinking that either it doesn't matter, or you're already saved.

I was raised in the Lutheran Church.. Baptized as an infant, confirmed, all that good stuff. But to be quite honest, I wasn't paying one bit of attention to anything that was going on. I did the confirmation thing because my mom made me. I'm serious, I wasn't listening AT ALL. All I picked up on was John 3:16. I never even thought of reading John 3:17! I figured all I had to do was believe in God and follow the 10 commandments, but even if I didn't, I was still saved since all I had to do was believe it, not actually do it. Wow, it took me 20 years before I decided to read a bit further.

I thought I was getting away with doing some seriously wrong stuff, and only when I realized what else was in that book, did I decide to start studying it a little more. Wow, does the guilt set in then! sad.png

@Flock Master64, in no way is ever asking a question pertaining to scripture dumb. God knows you seek, and he will open it to you, in HIS time. I've been poring over this book for 5 years and still amazed at how one day I'll read what I feel like is gobbledygook, and the next day, its like a light comes on and all of a sudden, it makes sense! And then it leads me to another verse, and another.. And when I get stumped, I can call on others to help clarify for me, just as you are doing smile.png

I agree with a study Bible being a huge help; I'd suggest one with a concordance. It's like a huge index to all the subjects and verses in the Bible, so you can study a topic and find all the correlating verses. It's very very helpful!

Now I see the difference between GUILT and CONVICTION!  I used to be guilty, now I am convicted. :thumbsup

 

 

@Flock Master64  And for me the Holy Spirit is the great discerner. I have sought my whole life for Truth and discernment... It says ..

 

 Philippians 4: 6-7  Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God,which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

 

Matthew 7:9 "Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?"

 

Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

 

1 Corinthians 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

 

John 14:16-17 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

 

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

 

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

 

((With all my heart I believe that I if you seek you will find... but I close with this...))

 

John 16:12-13 "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth."

 

 

When you seek the truth it will be revealed in the form you can chew at the time... milk, cereal, then meat (my own examples) according to your development and where God has you at that point in your life. 

post #248 of 4412
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OK now something I been wanting to post/talk to others about. I havent been able to make it to church as of late (started working with my husband one wensdays and sundays) but I fallen behind on studying so my plan in to start studing and go chapter by chapter (verse by verse) posting on here what verse and what I have found out about each one and my thoughts and feelings on each. I am by no means a teacher or a pastor just a Christ Follower so if you want to ask questions comment fill free and I also ask if you havent seen me post every few days in here about a verse message me keep me on track lol.

I will study along, and participate....

 

I do not attend a physical church, (don't judge unless you walk in my shoes) but have prayed desperately for God to send me a friend I can fellowship with, without FEELING (whether it's true or not) judged for my short comings. I recently met a neighbor who I believe is an answer to that prayer! :yesss:  But also this thread is a blessing. Thank you for sharing!

post #249 of 4412
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I'm gonna ask Pastor about that friday night. It makes sense, but..... it raises a flag in my conscience hmm.png
Don't trust documentaies about Jesus/God. A lot of the people that write them aren't saved and have no idea who God really is. 
Yeah, I don't trust "Bible documentaries" or even most TV/radio pastors either. That's why I asked if anyone had actually read it in the Bible.
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post #250 of 4412
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Well it doesn't really say, so I can't assume yes or no... But it goes on to 1 Peter 4 highlighting verse 6.

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. 2 As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. 4 They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

I also have to say, I add in the whole paragraph surrounding the text in order to get full context of the subject. So many times a single verse can be misinterpreted alone. wink.png
You're right it doesn't really say so we can't assume. I just don't see the purpose of Jesus preaching to people who couldn't be saved. It seems like it would be a waste of time. And the verse you wrote says, "And the gospel was preached to those who were now dead so they may be judged in according to human standards in regard to the body". But if they're in hell why are they being judged for a second time? I don't feel like the Bible is very clear about if we are judged immediately after we die and then sent to heaven or hell. Or after the second coming when it says the dead Christians rise into the heavens to meet Jesus. So will every one be dead untill Jesus's return? I had the same discussion with my dad earlier but he didn't really have any answers. I unfortunately feel like the more I read the Bible the more confused I get hmm.png
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