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No need to worry now. Any damage done is already water under the bridge.

IMHO, those temps are way too high. One must always consider that a thermometer can be off.
Commercial hatcheries use 99.5. That is ideal and what forced air should be. A still air uses the temp of 100.5 IF measured at the top of the egg. That would make internal temp at the center 99.5. So in a still air, it is all about where the temperature is being measured.
An embryo can survive at 98 but can die at 104. If you are measuring 102 and it is off by 2F, it could be 104.
If you're measuring 100 and it is off by 2F, the embryos will survive regardless of whether it is high or low.
Toward the end of incubation, embryos have some metabolism that allows them to deal with larger temporary swings.
The key word is temporary. A long time at high or low temps is always a problem.


Really!

I don't think that's the best idea Akrnaf2 has come up with.

Well, this makes me feel terrible. I read the section on temps in still air under incubation thread, and it said to keep temps at 102 in still air. I thought that it was a bit high so I got to 101.3 for the most part. Even still I had 4 viable eggs at day 18. Actually I had 4 viable eggs until yesterday. I also followed what the thread said and kept my temp at 98.5 for the last 3 days, I was using 3 different thermometers. I found my probe thermometer to be most accurate and right near the eggs, at embryo level. All 4 were moving around yesterday, 2 were early today, and now nothing. I'm not sure if they are resting, or dead now! 😞
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post #18173 of 52593
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No need to worry now. Any damage done is already water under the bridge.

IMHO, those temps are way too high. One must always consider that a thermometer can be off.
Commercial hatcheries use 99.5. That is ideal and what forced air should be. A still air uses the temp of 100.5 IF measured at the top of the egg. That would make internal temp at the center 99.5. So in a still air, it is all about where the temperature is being measured.
An embryo can survive at 98 but can die at 104. If you are measuring 102 and it is off by 2F, it could be 104.
If you're measuring 100 and it is off by 2F, the embryos will survive regardless of whether it is high or low.
Toward the end of incubation, embryos have some metabolism that allows them to deal with larger temporary swings.
The key word is temporary. A long time at high or low temps is always a problem.


Really!

I don't think that's the best idea Akrnaf2 has come up with.

Well, this makes me feel terrible. I read the section on temps in still air under incubation thread, and it said to keep temps at 102 in still air. I thought that it was a bit high so I got to 101.3 for the most part. Even still I had 4 viable eggs at day 18. Actually I had 4 viable eggs until yesterday. I also followed what the thread said and kept my temp at 98.5 for the last 3 days, I was using 3 different thermometers. I found my probe thermometer to be most accurate and right near the eggs, at embryo level. All 4 were moving around yesterday, 2 were early today, and now nothing. I'm not sure if they are resting, or dead now! 

They are most likely resting, there really isn't much activity in hatching eggs. You might see a wiggle when chick is positioning itself, a day or two before hatch. You might hear a chirp occasionally once an internal pip has happened. Where were you measuring the temp? In a still air the top temp would be around 102, but more importantly, egg level(middle of egg) should be about 99.5. I'm also curious on how you saw the chick moving, was this before lockdown (day 18). 


Edited by mlm Mike - 12/13/16 at 4:01pm

 

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Incubating w/Friends Thread  & Hatching NOTES section click HERE  

 

 

Poultry: Icelandic Chicken Flock, Some OE and BCM, and guineas. Oh, Seramas, too.

Dogs: 3 Icelandic Sheepdogs and a Schipperkee

Goats: A small, fun herd of Nigerian Dwarf Goats

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They are most likely resting, there really isn't much activity in hatching eggs. You might see a wiggle when chick is positioning itself, a day or two before hatch. You might hear a chirp occasionally once an internal pip has happened. Where were you measuring the temp? In a still air the top temp would be around 102, but more importantly, egg level(middle of egg) should be about 99.5. I'm also curious on how you saw the chick moving, was this before lockdown (day 18). 

So day 19 I had the thermometer at egg level keeping it at 98.5! All 4 eggs were moving at lock down, laying flat and I could see the eggs themselves rocking back and forth. Only saw 2 of them moving earlier today, now nothing.
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So day 19 I had the thermometer at egg level keeping it at 98.5! All 4 eggs were moving at lock down, laying flat and I could see the eggs themselves rocking back and forth. Only saw 2 of them moving earlier today, now nothing.

I now have temp at 99.5 egg level, using my probe thermometer.
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They are most likely resting, there really isn't much activity in hatching eggs. You might see a wiggle when chick is positioning itself, a day or two before hatch. You might hear a chirp occasionally once an internal pip has happened. Where were you measuring the temp? In a still air the top temp would be around 102, but more importantly, egg level(middle of egg) should be about 99.5. I'm also curious on how you saw the chick moving, was this before lockdown (day 18). 

So day 19 I had the thermometer at egg level keeping it at 98.5! All 4 eggs were moving at lock down, laying flat and I could see the eggs themselves rocking back and forth. Only saw 2 of them moving earlier today, now nothing.

OK, seeing the eggs wiggle, then no more wiggle is normal. After the wiggle they seem to rest a bit before pipping internally, length of time varies. But, too me it sounds like things are progressing normally.. Good luck! 

 

Incubating w/Friends Thread  & Hatching NOTES section click HERE  

 

 

Poultry: Icelandic Chicken Flock, Some OE and BCM, and guineas. Oh, Seramas, too.

Dogs: 3 Icelandic Sheepdogs and a Schipperkee

Goats: A small, fun herd of Nigerian Dwarf Goats

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Incubating w/Friends Thread  & Hatching NOTES section click HERE  

 

 

Poultry: Icelandic Chicken Flock, Some OE and BCM, and guineas. Oh, Seramas, too.

Dogs: 3 Icelandic Sheepdogs and a Schipperkee

Goats: A small, fun herd of Nigerian Dwarf Goats

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    The most worth-while thing is to try to put happiness into the lives of others.                          Robert Baden-Powell

Sometimes the heart sees what is invisible to the eye. H. Jackson Brown, Jr. 

 

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So day 19 I had the thermometer at egg level keeping it at 98.5! All 4 eggs were moving at lock down, laying flat and I could see the eggs themselves rocking back and forth. Only saw 2 of them moving earlier today, now nothing.

I now have temp at 99.5 egg level, using my probe thermometer.

Sounds good! :thumbsup

 

Incubating w/Friends Thread  & Hatching NOTES section click HERE  

 

 

Poultry: Icelandic Chicken Flock, Some OE and BCM, and guineas. Oh, Seramas, too.

Dogs: 3 Icelandic Sheepdogs and a Schipperkee

Goats: A small, fun herd of Nigerian Dwarf Goats

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Incubating w/Friends Thread  & Hatching NOTES section click HERE  

 

 

Poultry: Icelandic Chicken Flock, Some OE and BCM, and guineas. Oh, Seramas, too.

Dogs: 3 Icelandic Sheepdogs and a Schipperkee

Goats: A small, fun herd of Nigerian Dwarf Goats

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post #18179 of 52593
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Sounds good! thumbsup.gif

Oh dear lord, as I write this I am watching one of them wiggle just the slightest bit! Hoping for a pip! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Thank you again for your help, and words of incouragement. I was near tears!
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Sounds good! thumbsup.gif

Oh dear lord, as I write this I am watching one of them wiggle just the slightest bit! Hoping for a pip! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Thank you again for your help, and words of incouragement. I was near tears!


then.................after the external pip comes more anxiety as they rest again

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Favorite Books: More Than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell, Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis, Cries of the Heart by Ravi Zacharias, I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek

 

Frank Turek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqzcDrILJ0

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flock: Black Australorp, guineas,...

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