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Do you need a permit to shoot and kill a red fox and a ground hog?

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Lately I've been having issues with a ground hog and a fox that live near my coop. I've tried things to keep them away, such as shutting the chickens up earlier and letting them out later but they've just been coming earlier. So far they've killed seven chickens and four ducks. I actually never thought a ground hog would get them until I saw him out there trying to get in the pen. I don't want to have to shoot them, but I don't see any other way. Would I need to get a permit to shoot them? I don't know anything about permits and I tried researching but I can't find any direct answers so I'm hoping someone here could help me.
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No way to know unless we know what state you are in. Wildlife regulations vary dramatically from state to state.

You can call your state Dept. of Conservation or go to their website. It will have seasons on all animals. In most of the country, groundhogs aren't closely regulated.

Foxes are considered furbearers and have special regulations but in most states, one is allowed to protect livestock.

That doesn't apply to birds of prey.

 

Groundhogs are primarily herbivores and may eat snails, grubs and insects but I can't imagine one would kill chickens.


Edited by ChickenCanoe - 4/10/17 at 11:24am

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I live in Pennsylvania. What would be the website? Thanks
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NPIP 43-813

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.

Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”                  Mark Twain

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NPIP 43-813

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.

Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”                  Mark Twain

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Google it or call your local game warden. 

Chickens off and on for 25+ years and still learning.

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If I'm watching a predator attacking my birds, and I have the ability to stop it, I go into the mode where I figure it's easier to get forgiveness than permission. But even if you did shoot those guys, there are more just like them to take their place. What you want is an electric fence to keep your predators at a safe distance away from the birds.

 

The groundhog is not your culprit.......more like an unwitting accomplice. He dug the hole that let the others in. The groundhog was probably looking at building a den under the coop.


Edited by Howard E - 4/10/17 at 10:53pm
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Lately I've been having issues with a ground hog and a fox that live near my coop. I've tried things to keep them away, such as shutting the chickens up earlier and letting them out later but they've just been coming earlier. So far they've killed seven chickens and four ducks. I actually never thought a ground hog would get them until I saw him out there trying to get in the pen. I don't want to have to shoot them, but I don't see any other way. Would I need to get a permit to shoot them? I don't know anything about permits and I tried researching but I can't find any direct answers so I'm hoping someone here could help me.
Don't ask don't tell. Just do it
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If I'm watching a predator attacking my birds, and I have the ability to stop it, I go into the mode where I figure it's easier to get forgiveness than permission. But even if you did shoot those guys, there are more just like them to take their place. What you want is an electric fence to keep your predators at a safe distance away from the birds.

 

The groundhog is not your culprit.......more like an unwitting accomplice. He dug the hole that let the others in. The groundhog was probably looking at building a den under the coop.

Such good advice.

It amazes me how many times I hear the word it when referring to a predator. As though there was only one. They say, we had a fox problem but we took care of it. Or we had a raccoon attack, but we trapped it. They aren't loners. They have brothers, sisters, moms, dads, aunts, uncles, cousins, sons, daughters  - and a plethora of other unrelated animals lurking in the same area.

 

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Don't ask don't tell. Just do it


I agree, but hopefully the person that just does it, picks the actual culprit rather than any animal that happens to be in the location at the time the damage is discovered.

NPIP 43-813

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.

Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”                  Mark Twain

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NPIP 43-813

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.

Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”                  Mark Twain

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Such good advice.
It amazes me how many times I hear the word it when referring to a predator. As though there was only one. They say, we had a fox problem but we took care of it. Or we had a raccoon attack, but we trapped it. They aren't loners. They have brothers, sisters, moms, dads, aunts, uncles, cousins, sons, daughters  - and a plethora of other unrelated animals lurking in the same area.



I agree, but hopefully the person that just does it, picks the actual culprit rather than any animal that happens to be in the location at the time the damage is discovered.
Kill them all, and let god sort them out.
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