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     If the birds are of good quality and the general impression screams DORKING!!! then show them and have fun. Judges are regular folks like the rest of us and not endowed with higher powers. So just like the exhibitors some will be more knowledgeable and familiar with any given breed than others. Listen, pay attention but use your own two eyes and experience. Know what you have for the most part at least before entering. Do not depend on the judges to formulate your breeding program. So many times we hear I will see what the judges think. That is fine to a point but in the end we have to have some decent idea of what is wanted, what we actually have and where we want to go. WE are the breeders exhibiting our work. I feel it should be a safe assumption that we know a bit about what we are doing. You have expressed some satisfaction with your birds and program. Then be off and enjoy the show, naysayers and all LOL.

 


Totally agree with you Dave. one of the biggest problems I have when trying to help people who have never had chickens before (or never shown before) who want to get into showing is that they treat the judge as if they were god and think that if you enter your entire flock then at the end of the day the judge will have culled your flock for you. sometimes it can be hard to convince people that they should not cull based purely on placings at a show. it can be equally difficult convincing a beginner that it is not always the best show bird that will have the best progeny for showing. 

It has actually been interesting for me as i have been starting to show my dorkings. Every judge has something different to say about them and I have had some interesting discussions with judges and other exhibitors about my birds. I have been pleased to see that most of the judges appear to know the basics of what they should be looking for in dorkings not always the case with all birds -a judge actually once admitted to me that although he had just judged the guineas at the show, he really hadn't had any experience or training judging guineas so it was a bit of educated guessing). I do appreciate when judges check the standard when evaluating breeds that they are less familiar with. Since I want to become an APA judge some day it is interesting for me to look at my birds in their show cages and try to look at them purely from a exhibiting standpoint and see how close my placings are to the judges choices and what points they were choosing as the most important verses what i had chosen. its a good exercise for me to do occasionally so that I dont get too mired in evaluating the birds only as breeders and how they fit into my breeding program.

 

The Poultry Palace - Whidbey Island, WA  ~Standard Bred Poultry~  Silver-gray Dorking; Buff Brahma (bantam); Royal Palm Turkey; Gray Mallard; Guineas- Lavender, Pearl.  Raising poultry for 18 years.

 

~Royal Palm Turkey Hatching Eggs Available~ local, at shows or ship, message for more info 6/8/14

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The Poultry Palace - Whidbey Island, WA  ~Standard Bred Poultry~  Silver-gray Dorking; Buff Brahma (bantam); Royal Palm Turkey; Gray Mallard; Guineas- Lavender, Pearl.  Raising poultry for 18 years.

 

~Royal Palm Turkey Hatching Eggs Available~ local, at shows or ship, message for more info 6/8/14

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post #1962 of 5117
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Originally Posted by capayvalleychick View Post


Cindy,

 

If you plan on showing, you really should buy a copy of the current SOP. According to the 2010 APA SOP, accepted Dorkings are White, Silver Gray, Colored, Red and Cuckoo ( Single comb, Rose comb). There is a lot of great information that applies to all fowl in the first section of this book and it's really a necessity to have if you plan to show and be successful at it.

My biggest mistake as a novice breeder was thinking that I didn't need the SOP because I didn't want to show. What I didn't realize was that, if you don't breed to the SOP, you end up with birds that aren't really true to type. It's helpful with breeding as well as showing. So, I now am using the SOP as a tool in my breeding program to preserve heritage breeds as they have been and should be.

 

Since you are in FL, a good source of Dorkings would be Mary Wetterstrom.

 

Best wishes,

Kim

 


 

I spent 4 hours at Mary's farm today.  I wish everyone could have that experience, she really knows her Dorkings, and has beautiful birds.  She has one white hen that I wish I could clone.  It was perfect.  I forgot my camera, but I will be going back, so hopefully I can get some photos for you.  Her camera has disappeared, that is why she has not sent you the pictures yet.  She has all the APA approved Dorking types, except the Cuckoo, so I got to see the differences close up,  She is really working to get her birds up to the standard, and has a very involved breeding program.  We spent at least 15 minutes just talking about earlobes.  smile.png  I think you would be very pleased with any chicks you get from her stock. 

 

Does anyone have rose comb Dorkings who could post a photo?  I was blown away by the size of the rose comb on the rooster. I'm glad I only need one rooster; the hens were beautiful, but that comb on the rooster was huge and "lumpy", for lack of a better word.  I really want to raise some whites, since that is what my grandmother had.  I looked at the pictures at Yellow House Farm, but it was a side view, and I would like to see a top view on some other roosters.  I don't know what the standard is on the size of the rose comb on a Dorking, and the one that I saw was on a young bird that still had a lot of growing to do.

 

Cindy

Geese:  Embden, Gray Saddleback Pomeranians

Chickens:  Australorp, White Rock, Java

Dogs:  Australian Shepherd, Catahoula   Cats:  Tuxedo

My Blog:  http://plantcityhomestead.blogspot.com/

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Geese:  Embden, Gray Saddleback Pomeranians

Chickens:  Australorp, White Rock, Java

Dogs:  Australian Shepherd, Catahoula   Cats:  Tuxedo

My Blog:  http://plantcityhomestead.blogspot.com/

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post #1963 of 5117

Wow, Cindy, I am envious. I would love to see Mary's flock in person. She has pictures of her Whites & Reds on the Dorking Club site. Seeing those, I could tell that she knows what she's doing. She's also had access to some Dorking oldtimers for guidance. She's a breeder that I keep my eye on.

 

I noticed you on the Delaware thread, also. I am focusing on breeding SG Dorkings and Delawares. I have to warn you ... these two breeds are going to be much more of a challenge to breed to standard than almost any other. It's almost impossible to find these with good type. Nationwide, both need overall improvement with size and shape. It is going to take much more time and patience (and many more frustrations & disappointments) than if you chose a more popular breed. If your goal is to win at shows, Dorkings & Delawares are not a good choice. I don't mean to sound so negative, just want you to realize the reality. I value both these breeds and think they are worth raising but they are not easy.

 

Kim

Kim

 

Star*Rose Ranch, Guinda, CA
day ranged, pastured Silver Gray Dorking & Delaware large fowl;

also preserving Dexter cattle, St. Croix Hair Sheep & American Guinea Hogs;

Keeping chickens since the '90's. Dorkings since 2005. Delawares since 2010.

Now striving to learn how to breed my flock to the SOP.

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Kim

 

Star*Rose Ranch, Guinda, CA
day ranged, pastured Silver Gray Dorking & Delaware large fowl;

also preserving Dexter cattle, St. Croix Hair Sheep & American Guinea Hogs;

Keeping chickens since the '90's. Dorkings since 2005. Delawares since 2010.

Now striving to learn how to breed my flock to the SOP.

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post #1964 of 5117
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Originally Posted by capayvalleychick View Post

Wow, Cindy, I am envious. I would love to see Mary's flock in person. She has pictures of her Whites & Reds on the Dorking Club site. Seeing those, I could tell that she knows what she's doing. She's also had access to some Dorking oldtimers for guidance. She's a breeder that I keep my eye on.

 

I noticed you on the Delaware thread, also. I am focusing on breeding SG Dorkings and Delawares. I have to warn you ... these two breeds are going to be much more of a challenge to breed to standard than almost any other. It's almost impossible to find these with good type. Nationwide, both need overall improvement with size and shape. It is going to take much more time and patience (and many more frustrations & disappointments) than if you chose a more popular breed. If your goal is to win at shows, Dorkings & Delawares are not a good choice. I don't mean to sound so negative, just want you to realize the reality. I value both these breeds and think they are worth raising but they are not easy.

 

Kim




Kim, I am not looking to raise prize winning birds, I just want people to realize that the old birds are great and be exposed to them, and the best way to do that is at shows.  I don't want to see the old breeds lost forever.  If I can get them a little closer to type in the process, I will be very happy.  I want Dorkings because my grandmother raised them, and I like the Delawares only because they're pretty, and a good dual purpose breed.

 

Cindy

Geese:  Embden, Gray Saddleback Pomeranians

Chickens:  Australorp, White Rock, Java

Dogs:  Australian Shepherd, Catahoula   Cats:  Tuxedo

My Blog:  http://plantcityhomestead.blogspot.com/

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Geese:  Embden, Gray Saddleback Pomeranians

Chickens:  Australorp, White Rock, Java

Dogs:  Australian Shepherd, Catahoula   Cats:  Tuxedo

My Blog:  http://plantcityhomestead.blogspot.com/

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post #1965 of 5117
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I spent 4 hours at Mary's farm today.  I wish everyone could have that experience, she really knows her Dorkings, and has beautiful birds.  She has one white hen that I wish I could clone.  It was perfect.  I forgot my camera, but I will be going back, so hopefully I can get some photos for you.  Her camera has disappeared, that is why she has not sent you the pictures yet.  She has all the APA approved Dorking types, except the Cuckoo, so I got to see the differences close up,  She is really working to get her birds up to the standard, and has a very involved breeding program.  We spent at least 15 minutes just talking about earlobes.  smile.png  I think you would be very pleased with any chicks you get from her stock. 

 

Does anyone have rose comb Dorkings who could post a photo?  I was blown away by the size of the rose comb on the rooster. I'm glad I only need one rooster; the hens were beautiful, but that comb on the rooster was huge and "lumpy", for lack of a better word.  I really want to raise some whites, since that is what my grandmother had.  I looked at the pictures at Yellow House Farm, but it was a side view, and I would like to see a top view on some other roosters.  I don't know what the standard is on the size of the rose comb on a Dorking, and the one that I saw was on a young bird that still had a lot of growing to do.

 

Cindy

I am entirely jealous.  the only dorkings i have seen, besides my own are in pictures.

 

i'm hoping whatever shows i manage to attend this year, there are some entered so i have something to compare my own to.

 

Karen - k.i.forgot (it's a ham thing...)
Welcome to the Zoo!  Horses (both LF and Bantam LOL), Standard Poodle, cats, pet birds & chickens.

Dorkings, SFH, bantam Cochins, EE's & others.

And of course, my wonderful Hubby, who puts up with me and keeps me in check when I start to get crazy.

Feather Anatomy  -  Genetics  -  SFH Breeder's Club  -  My Website  -  Incubator Basics

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Karen - k.i.forgot (it's a ham thing...)
Welcome to the Zoo!  Horses (both LF and Bantam LOL), Standard Poodle, cats, pet birds & chickens.

Dorkings, SFH, bantam Cochins, EE's & others.

And of course, my wonderful Hubby, who puts up with me and keeps me in check when I start to get crazy.

Feather Anatomy  -  Genetics  -  SFH Breeder's Club  -  My Website  -  Incubator Basics

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post #1966 of 5117

I am so excited last night 3 hours before dark we let our Dorkings out to free range for the frist time.  It was great to see them out scratching around in the new grass and low and behold by 7:30 pm they were all in except one up on their roost.  celebrate.gif

The Tunnicliff Fram is the proud owner of Silver Gray Dorkings .

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The Tunnicliff Fram is the proud owner of Silver Gray Dorkings .

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post #1967 of 5117
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I am entirely jealous.  the only dorkings i have seen, besides my own are in pictures.

 

i'm hoping whatever shows i manage to attend this year, there are some entered so i have something to compare my own to.

 


Kim, I looked at the photos of your dorkings on your profile.  I think Mary's may be a little boxier, but I have found it is hard to get a good picture of a chicken.  Her's really have that rectangular shape, especially the whites.  I had never seen a dorking until I saw Mary's.  I had been looking for one for years, but they are not popular around here.

 

Cindy

 

Geese:  Embden, Gray Saddleback Pomeranians

Chickens:  Australorp, White Rock, Java

Dogs:  Australian Shepherd, Catahoula   Cats:  Tuxedo

My Blog:  http://plantcityhomestead.blogspot.com/

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Geese:  Embden, Gray Saddleback Pomeranians

Chickens:  Australorp, White Rock, Java

Dogs:  Australian Shepherd, Catahoula   Cats:  Tuxedo

My Blog:  http://plantcityhomestead.blogspot.com/

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post #1968 of 5117

ok well, i'm up to my eyeballs in chicks. LOL  i've got 10 colored and 5 red hatched from shipped eggs (from sandhill lines that passed the 'toe test' - the rest were sold) and 26 chicks directly from sandhill (they sent 13 red 11 colored and 3 silver grey, lost 1 red) and i've got 5 sg and 9 sg/colored due the 24th, and 8 sg, 12 sg/colored due the 29th...  8)

 

he hasn't said a WORD about all the eggs/chicks, as he knows i'm selling anything that doesn't make the grade.  told him i had 3 or 4 sets of eggs (non-dorking) shipping in this week from swaps, his response was cool what are they? lau.gif

 

and an update on "Junior" my pick cockerel from last fall/winter's hatches (almost 5 months old).  last week the dog ran thru the flock and spazzed everyone, but junior in particular carried on way longer than usual and I noticed him limping shortly after. a couple days later the limp was way worse, so i caught him and put him in the 'hospital' cage. I'm happy to say the 3 day 'vacation' has helped. he went back outside yesterday morning and today the limp is barely noticable and he's back to crowing and chasing the girls.  never did figure out exactly what happenned, but he was very touchy around his knee area (between leg and thigh) so i'm thinking he may have just stepped wrong and twisted something. happens to people dogs and horses, why not chickens. 

 

within the next month i'm planning on adding to the big guy's pen and putting all the girls (10) and 2 roos together. then i can pen up a pair here and there to do test breedings between specific roo/hen combos.  i'm pretty sure one of my hens is throwing much better type with poorer color, and the other better color with poorer type, the chicks seem to be in 2 distinct categories. but not sure which is which at the moment. and with a different roo, that may change, thus the test breedings...  i'm aiming for better type first, and color will happen down the road. so whichever hen is producing the poorer type, if it continues with the younger (and better IMO) rooster, then she's going to the egg pen.

Karen - k.i.forgot (it's a ham thing...)
Welcome to the Zoo!  Horses (both LF and Bantam LOL), Standard Poodle, cats, pet birds & chickens.

Dorkings, SFH, bantam Cochins, EE's & others.

And of course, my wonderful Hubby, who puts up with me and keeps me in check when I start to get crazy.

Feather Anatomy  -  Genetics  -  SFH Breeder's Club  -  My Website  -  Incubator Basics

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Karen - k.i.forgot (it's a ham thing...)
Welcome to the Zoo!  Horses (both LF and Bantam LOL), Standard Poodle, cats, pet birds & chickens.

Dorkings, SFH, bantam Cochins, EE's & others.

And of course, my wonderful Hubby, who puts up with me and keeps me in check when I start to get crazy.

Feather Anatomy  -  Genetics  -  SFH Breeder's Club  -  My Website  -  Incubator Basics

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post #1969 of 5117

Wow congratulations I am on my last hatch for now and doing pretty well 20 to 21 chicks per hatch. My rooster is really not doing his job because the hens are young and not coming out of the coop much yet.

 

Loaded 24 more Silver Gray eggs in the incubator and they are 9 days along and growing. My fingers are crossed that I get a good batch of chicks.

 

Do you have pictures of your babies to share :)

 

 Light Brahma, Black Australorp, Cochin, Gold Comet, Delaware, Silver Gray Dorking. Arabian, Doberman, Farm Cat, Teenage boy, and loving husband who puts up with it all.

 

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 Light Brahma, Black Australorp, Cochin, Gold Comet, Delaware, Silver Gray Dorking. Arabian, Doberman, Farm Cat, Teenage boy, and loving husband who puts up with it all.

 

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post #1970 of 5117
On Saturday I will be a Dorking owner! I'm driving over to Wilcox AZ to pick up 3 white chicks, 6 darker colored chicks and also hatching eggs. I'm not sure if the person is a member here. Basically jumping in both feet first.

Hope you guys don't get sick of all the questions I'm going to be throwing at you!!
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