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post #21 of 39
Again, as a veterinarian specializing in poultry, the use of Baytril (Enrofloxicin within the fluoroquinolone class of antibiotics) in poultry is illegal. Chickens are considered food producing animals.
It's true that the FDA does not regulate the practice of medicine. However, they do regulate pharmaceuticals. It's also unlikely they will pursue clients for use of banned drugs, but it is more likely they will pursue veterinarians prescribing banned drugs. Extra-label drug use is clearly defined by the FDA in AMDUCA. Read below - no Mountain Dew required

Animal Medicinal Drug Use Clarification Act (AMDUCA)

Drugs Prohibited for Extralabel Use in Food Animals
(Current as of April 2012. Check for updates on the FDA Web site at
Diethylstilbestrol (DES)
Other Nitroimidazoles
Furazolidone, Nitrofurazone, Other Nitrofurans
Sulfonamide drugs in lactating dairy cows (except approved use of sulfadimethoxine, sulfabromomethazine, and sulfaethoxypyridazine)
Glycopeptides (example: vancomycin)
Phenybutazone in female dairy cattle 20 months of age or older
Adamantane and neuraminidase inhibitor classes of drugs that are approved for treating or preventing influenza A are prohibited therapy in chickens, turkeys, and ducks (Effective: June 20, 2006)
Cephalosporin (excluding cephapirin) in cattle, swine, chickens, or turkeys
Using cephalosporin drugs at unapproved dose levels, frequencies, durations or routes of administration is prohibited;
Using cephalosporin drugs in cattle, swine, chickens or turkeys that are not approved for use in that species (e.g., cephalosporin drugs intended for humans or companion animals);
Using cephalosporin drugs for disease prevention.
post #22 of 39

LMAO, the only drugs I have are the banned ones, and not one was prescribed by a veterinarian or MD, they're that easy to get. :cool:



Edited by casportpony - 12/9/13 at 6:53pm
post #23 of 39

Serioulsy, when I suspect that one of my pet turkeys or peafowl have blackhead and e. Coli, what am I supposed to do?



post #24 of 39

While you're at it, maybe you could explain to people how and why Baytril was used in the poultry industry and whether or not that might have had a reason for the ban, 'cause I've had people say "you can't eat the eggs or meat from a bird that's had Baytril 'cause it *will* make you sick".



Edited by casportpony - 12/9/13 at 6:54pm
post #25 of 39

 PoultryDoc. YOU keep on checking the FDA website for updates...since that is ALL you have contributed to BYC. I've used baytril before in one of my birds and will continue to do so if needed in the future.

post #26 of 39

I was under the impression that the reason Baytril was banned in chickens was because they didn't want large meat poultry producers using it regularly, and having the people eating the meat developing Baytril-resistant infections down the road.  It seems like every time someone in our family gets an infection, there is a prescription for Cipro, a cousin of Baytril.  It does seem that quite a few of our posters go to their vets and get Baytril for their chickens.  It is nice to have something to give a sick pet chicken for serious infections other than the CRD drugs available.  PoultryDoc, we could probably use your occasional expertise here on the BYC emergency forum.  There are a couple of vets out there who post on the rare occasion.  We are all here just trying to help each other since poultry vets are a bit scarce.

Edited by Eggcessive - 12/9/13 at 7:25pm
post #27 of 39
The FDA banned the use of the Floroquinalones in food producing animals (targeting poultry) in an effort to reduce the increasing rate of resistance within the bacterial population to this antibiotic class. This decision was made in the absence of scientific data supporting the claim that the use of this antibiotic class in food animals was leading to resistance in the bacterial population and in turn increased isolations of antibiotic-resistant bacteria in the human population. As a result one of the most effective treatments of bacterial diseases in commercial poultry was eliminated. The welfare of affected animals has been negatively affected by this decision. Meanwhile, since the implementation of the ban, the rate of isolation of bacteria resistant to the Floroquinalones has increased!
My opinion: The over prescription of antibiotics to the human population is the likely cause of this resistance. When we (humans) get sick we want an antidote, a cure, an antibiotic.. For most, there is little if any hesitation in taking/directly consuming an antibiotic when sick. Most would be frustrated when not prescribed an antibiotic by their physician when a trip is made to a clinic. However, when our food gets sick (yes animals get too) we want antibiotic free and the animals must go untreated to satisfy a minority-driven consumer market.
Happy to answer questions. Thanks
Edited by PoultryDoc - 12/10/13 at 8:24pm
post #28 of 39
"The welfare of affected animals has been negatively affected"

I think that means I am suppose to let my bird die. That FDA decision is about large commercial operations. Mine is a pet. If my dog had an infection, he would get antibiotic. I want the same for my $3 PET chicken.

fist time chick owner in 2010, mom to 3, 2 dogs, a new rabbit and hubby too

Added baby duck in 2015.

fist time chick owner in 2010, mom to 3, 2 dogs, a new rabbit and hubby too

Added baby duck in 2015.
post #29 of 39
ryanhodapp you're darn right about that!!! ANY animal of mine needing an antibiotic or WHATEVER FOR THAT MATTER, to get well or even save their life is going to get it!!! I laugh at your comment about your $3 chicken cause I would have said word for word exactly what you said!!! In fact, last year I spent $400+ on MY $3 chicken (which nearly caused a divorce!! Lol Not really but my husband was not too happy!!) trying to get her well.. we saw 2 vets, they did and found NOTHING, thus I literally THREW AWAY that $400+ and guess where her cure finally came from?? Somewhere right here on our wonderful chicken family at BYC!!! AND it was a home remedy that I thought was INSANE and I kept passing it over thinking THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP??!!! Well guess what else?? When I was TOTALLY out of cards to play, and my sweet girl was clearly going to die and I had nothing to lose anymore really, I did the treatment. On the 3rd day, Just as it said, she woke up and was FINE!!! She started eating like a little pig, began running and playing again with her "sister" chicken and all was just well again!!! So now.... I will try just about ANY home remedy because I personally believe that these chicken farmers who have been raising chickens for generations, have had to go thru ALL these same issues with their birds and did not have access to vets and all the modern meds of today, and yet, somehow, they were able to find treatments and cures for these birds. I'm not saying that vets aren't needed by any means. What I am saying is that I will FIRST try the HOME REMEDY and then IF i don't get the results I sought, I will THEN seek out the vet!!!

Sadly at this very moment I am searching for something for now BOTH my two girls!! They are both not right but especially the same one sick last year, my Livie. She's the one who is worse. She isn't eating, been having to tube baby bird feed and high potency vitamins in her since yesterday...etc etc. But this is a post for somewhere else here on byc and I'm really hoping someone will have an answer.

Happy Chickeneering to All!!!
post #30 of 39

Well, don't know how to contribute here

but....I don't eat my chicken "Almost Red"

and she is older and rarely if at all lays an egg.

I give her baytril for pneumonia, if I don't she 

will not live and I will be forever unhappy about

denying her the life she has. 

From a half dead bird to her outside with her mates

she is the the Flock Mistress.

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