Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed - Page 204

Well, we had a nice day today and I found a little extra time on my hands so I broke out the new Canon 7D and took a few pics of my RC Barnie.  I know some of you have been waiting for some time for these so thanks for your patience.

Here is the F1 Mom:

Now here is her F2 Daughter:

You’ll notice the F2 shows quite a bit of improvement in the Type and coloration, especially the lacing.  The RC still needs quite a bit of improvement but I expect I’ll get a pretty decent RC once I get me a nice RC male to cross back to the F2 gal. 

Right now I plan to hatch out about one more dozen of the pure Standard Barnies and then I’m going to put the RC’s back in with the rooster.  I think I've got a half dozen RC chicks now but I don't know if they're from the F1 or F2 yet because I early on I just set them all in the pen to hatch some chicks.  Now I'll go back and hatch a bunch from the F2.  I tell ya though, I saw one RC chick today that has really nice yellow-orange legs!  Sort of like the bird on the left in that pic of yours Trisha. 

Now if I could just get all my birds to have those!

God Bless,

Wow Royce, stunning pictures!  Love your F2 girl's type!

GavinandAllison...........welcome! 

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Originally Posted by tls_ranch 

Royce,

I've been learning more and more about genetics because of the project colors I've been working with and other colors I've been wanting to try. It's helpful to learn how the genetics interact and such or otherwise one would have to just guess the result of out crossing:)

 

Barnevelders should be:

e^be^b (brown based)

Pg/Pg (Concentric pencilled patterned)

Ml/Ml (Melanotic, thick lacing)

plus other possible modifiers and melanizers

 

If you add Co= columbian...you get single laced as in laced wyandottes and the laced breasts in males. So Co is one of the things you have to breed out to get a good double laced pattern.

 

There's some debate, but I read that both Co and co (no columbian) has been found in Andalusian blue birds with the darker edge or "lacing" on their feathers. So, Co may not be present, but something else can cause the laced look. I'm leaning toward melanizers or other modifiers...something Barnevelders have a lot of and not all of these have been studied or named.

 

Now that I rambled on so long to answer your question... I haven't decided yet whether I'm breeding for "solid" blue or more of a "laced" look on my blue males. I kind of prefer the laced look. Not wyandotte type laced with gold and black/ blue lacing on male's breast, but the slightly darker blue edge on solid blue breasted birds. Similar to the lacing you see on solid blue orps and other blue breeds. I'm still going to try and track down the UK standard and see what they say.

 

 

 

Trisha

Am really appreciating the information....Still trying to enjoy normal Barny's....I have not seen lacing in the breasts of the normal colored boyz that i have seen at any of the shows i have been at, but doesn't the SOP mention lacing in the breasts? I think i have asked Royce about this also. eliz

The lacing I've seen on the US type Barnevelder males is very over melanized..resulting in breast feathers that are so heavilly laced that the breast appears to be solid black. If you look, you sometimes can see a reddish gold center to some of the breast feathers on the males. This may be a case of having to double mate and keep pullet and cockerel breeding lines like they do in other partridge/pattern breeds in order to get perfect males and pullets for show.

From what I've seen the darker males produce females with thicker and cleaner lacing (though sometimes overly thick). Lighter males produce redder females with thinner black lacing. The redder hens tend to have more peppering in their lacing than the darker hens. Probably due to melanizers or lack of. So like everything else one need to balance the traits to get what you want. I personally would rather try and find a balance than resort to a double mating system.

Trisha

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Originally Posted by gavinandallison 

So, I am fairly new to the breed but here are some pictures of my birds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would appreciate constructive comments.....

I think you have Blue laced red wyandottes and partridge rocks. Those really don't look like Barnevelders. But the BLR dottes look like they'll have pretty good color:)

Trisha

Trisha,

So using this, it means

e^be^b (brown based)

Pg/Pg (Concentric pencilled patterned)

Ml/Ml (Melanotic, thick lacing)

Both sides have the gene?  So if only the Roo had the pencilled pattern it would just be Pg/?  But having the same set of letters on either side of the "/" means both parents have the same gene?

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Originally Posted by tls_ranch 

I think you have Blue laced red wyandottes and partridge rocks. Those really don't look like Barnevelders. But the BLR dottes look like they'll have pretty good color:)

 

Trisha

Trisha,

seriously? I was told they were Barnevelders.........

Gavin.

Can you tell if these are hens or roos?

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Originally Posted by RachaelS 

Trisha,

So using this, it means

e^be^b (brown based)

Pg/Pg (Concentric pencilled patterned)

Ml/Ml (Melanotic, thick lacing)

 

Both sides have the gene?  So if only the Roo had the pencilled pattern it would just be Pg/?  But having the same set of letters on either side of the "/" means both parents have the same gene?

Yes, sorry you've got it correct:) Both roo and hen should have 2 copies of each gene and that means they are homozygous. Heterozygous would mean that they have one copy of a gene.

Pg/pg or Ml/ml would mean heterozygous

e^b/e+ would mean heterozygous for both brown and wildtype (e+) which is what a lot of the hatchery barnevelders seem to be.

Trisha

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Originally Posted by gavinandallison 

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Originally Posted by tls_ranch 

I think you have Blue laced red wyandottes and partridge rocks. Those really don't look like Barnevelders. But the BLR dottes look like they'll have pretty good color:)

 

Trisha

Trisha,

 

seriously? I was told they were Barnevelders.........

 

Gavin.

Pretty sure they are BLR wyandottes and Partridge rocks....

Trisha