Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed - Page 242

thanks for the link.  not sure I understand all of it but it sure was interesting.

 

I am not sure I will ever be able to butcher my own...

 

might be able to butcher somebody elses but not my own.

 

maybe I can partner with someone local.  have them process mine and me process theirs.

It's the smell and that when you reach in to gut the bird it's warm in there that got to me the first time.   But the taste is well worth getting over it.   Try coq au vin next time - it's delicious.

still perusing this link...facinating but I dont entirely understand it all.

 

so I had someone explain the blue/black/splash maran thing to me , coupled with your explanation that you can do it with barnevelders, too, but the dilution gene doesn't effect the bron part, just the black.

 

so what would happen if you bred a splash maran to a barnevelder?  Would the barnevelder pattern gene be overpowered by whatever is causing the Marnas to be solid-colored? 

 

so if Barnevelders are:    eb/eb Pg/Pg  M1/M1

What are Marans?  is the dilution gene the B1/b1+ for both?

 

head...spinning...not...computing....

Wow, you guys make me want to go out and butcher my first roo.....  Some day I hope to get there, but this might set that back a bit

 

They'll probably Heterozygous for just about everything. If you are looking to make blue Barnevelders with an out cross to Marans the main things you'll have to breed out is white skin/legs and the tendency for feathered legs and stubs. Also work to get back to homozygous genes  for the barnevelder color pattern and work on type. You may find that you loose the initial improvement in dark egg color for several generations in the process of getting back to "pure barnevelders". Maybe it'll be worth it if somehow enough of the correct dark egg genes get concentrated back in later generations. But, the "ideal" Barnevelder egg color could be altered because Marans just have a different egg color. There is somewhere around 13 genes effecting dark egg color. Some say that Barnevelders, Welsummers and Marans should all lay different shades of dark eggs.

 

Genetically the cross would produce something like this:

E or ER/ eb- base color split between extended black or birchen and the barnevelder brown.

Ml/ml- heterozyous for melanotic

Pg/pg- messy partial lacing that looks more like penciling due to lack of melanizers

Bl/bl- blue

 

and

White skin/legs- yellow skin is recessive.

uhhh????????? 

I don't know if I have a problem or not. I have a very pretty little barnevelder, about 4 months old. And she is a GLUTTON. Eats and eats and eats. Her crop would fit into a c-cup bra its so big...bigger than her!  I thought at first she was impacted but she's been fine.  Her crop is so big, she's starting to walk crooked to compensate. Every time I look at her, she's eating. She loves to be held and have her crop rubbed. It's not hard, no bad breath, not impacted. She's active, good spirits, no sign of illness. Just eats. And eats. Is there anything I should do for her, or just let her be?  I'd very sad to loose her, she's extremely and correct, lovely double laced feathers... Just looks out of balance cause of that c-sized crop!

okay...just because I am curious.  How do you think sex-linked silver would influence barnevelder coloring (I also have silver-Grey Dorkings)(I think they might be e+ instead of eb? no pattern genes, probably no melanizers?)

 

this is so facinating!

Edited by pysankigirl - 8/7/12 at 7:51pm

Here's a pic of my big crop Barnevelder pullet.

Islandgal, I'd say you got a problem though unfortunately, I don't know what it might be other than a sour crop.  You might check online with a search or I think there is a thread here on BYC that may have something that can help you.  Wish I could be of more help to you.

 

Out of curiosity, would you be the gal that came down from Canada and got some Barnie and Wellie eggs from me?  I know that person was from some island north of Vancouver Island but can't remember which one for sure now.  That was just a couple months ago so that wouldn't have been a chick from me but was just curious if you are the same person.

 

Trisha, wrt to them plucking of the cockerel... if you wait a little longer to butcher them, you won't have to mess with all those pin feathers.  Don't remember the exact age now but just look them over good before you kill them and check for feathers coming in.  Those things are a pain but if you wait until they're fully feathered, it's pretty much a breeze.

 

God Bless,