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Does anyone here raise or know about Jersey Giant chickens? 
How long or how old are they when you slaughter them for best meat quality?
I want to raise a couple come spring 2008 but wasn't sure about the meat quality and how long you raise them before they go to the freezer?

Thanks in advance,

Ann
New Ohio chicken farmer

post #2 of 15

Heres you a bit of info.. I dont  think Jerseys would make good meat bird if you want them fast..

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/poultry/chickens/jerseygiant/index.htm

post #3 of 15

The general opinion is that they don't make good meat birds because all their growth goes into bone rather than muscle for the first portion of their lives.  Historically this was fine and they were used for making capons, and whacking great ones at that.

But now we have the Cornish Cross strains for meat birds, which no purebreed can come close to in quality or growth rate.

post #4 of 15

So would the Jersey Giants make good mates for a meat bird like a Dark Cornish? I was talking to my hubby about making capons and he didn't like the idea. I still think about it.

Nancy

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I would agree that this breed is not a good choice for meat birds...and not that great for eggs either...given the modern breeds that are specifically bred for meat or eggs.  This is why the Jersey Giants are a rather scarce breed and only surviving in small backyard flocks like ours...

I have raised many Black JG hens, and find them to be great, gentle birds.  Also decent layers of large brown eggs.  Keep them for eggs or beauty...not for meat.

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Originally Posted by FluffyChickenMama 

Heres you a bit of info.. I dont  think Jerseys would make good meat bird if you want them fast..

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/poultry/chickens/jerseygiant/index.htm


Thanks so much!!  I've been searching for that info.  6months huh.  Do you have any suggestions on a large meat chicken that doesn't get deformed feet / legs and has good quality great tasting chicken?
Maybe I'll raise a couple Jersey Giants (shrug)

post #7 of 15

They might not be much of a meat bird but my black jersey giant pullets are HUGE and fluffy. I am dying for them to start laying so I can see their eggs! The last jersey giants I had several years ago were never this big. I got mine from McMurray this past spring.

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Originally Posted by greyfields 

The general opinion is that they don't make good meat birds because all their growth goes into bone rather than muscle for the first portion of their lives.  Historically this was fine and they were used for making capons, and whacking great ones at that.

But now we have the Cornish Cross strains for meat birds, which no purebreed can come close to in quality or growth rate.


I just found this article what do you think about this??
The Cornish Cross:
What is wrong with this picture?!
The Cornish Cross is the most commonly used meat hybrid. Not only is it the foundation of the broiler industrymost pastured poultry producers also base their broiler operations on this generic chicken hybrid.

I wrote this article years ago (January, 2001) for Grit!, the newsletter of American Pastured Poultry Producers Association. (It was recently included in APPPAS compilation Raising Poultry on Pasture: Ten Years of Success, along with a producer profile of yours truly as The Chicken Man of Hume.)

Since then, I have stopped raising the Cornish Cross or fast-growing meat hybrids altogether. Our poultry for the table comes from successive culling of our flocks throughout the growing season. I have also experimented a little with caponizing as an alternative to the hybrids.

But many homesteaders and would-be small producers are interested in an option for a meat chicken without the flaws of the Cornish Cross. I hope to have more information in the future. In the meantime, try online searches for Freedom Rangers, Label Rouge, and Corndel.

I stopped raising Cornish Cross chickens for several years because of their many weaknesses and flaws, known only too well by anyone who has worked with them. I returned to raising barnyard chickensthe old standard dual-purpose breedsto put broilers on the table and give to family and friends. But my wife and I missed those plump roasters you can produce with the Cornish Cross but not, in my experience, with the standard breeds (without caponizing, at any rate), which are simply too tough at a dressed weight of 5 to 7 pounds. So last year, when I learned that Tim Shell was producing Cornish Cross chicks from parent stock on pasture, I decided to try again. When I called Tim, he confirmed that he and others who have been using his chicks have found them to be hardier and more robust than the ever-deteriorating equivalents from the large commercial hatcheries. I ordered a batch of 60.

All was well through the brooder phasejust a single lossmost impressive in comparison with past batches of Cornish Cross. I moved them onto pasture at about four weeks, in a netted area along the lines of Andy Lees day ranging model. They showed the usual Cornish lethargy about foraging; but weight gain was as always impressive, especially in comparison with a group of standard chicks (New Hampshire Reds) hatched by natural mothers in my main flock.

Then in June we had a spike of hot, humid weather. When I went out one afternoon to check on the birds, I found a number of Cornishnow right at broiler stageeither dead or seriously distressed with heat exhaustion. (I lost 22 of them over the next day or so.) Despite the fact they had been on that pasture more than two weeks, drinking from a float-operated waterer right outside their shade shelter, they sat on their butts inside the shelter and died rather than walk ten feet for a drink of water!

I turned 180 degrees from the sight of scattered bodies and looked at my young standard chickensthe same age to the day in a separate netted pasture. They were bright and active, scooting about in the hot afternoon like water bugs. Whenever they felt the need for a drink, they would cross the entire area to the waterer.

Turning back to the appalling sight of dead and dying birds, my shocked mind wailed: What is wrong with this picture?!

We in the pastured poultry movement have turned our rhetorical guns on the Tysons and the Frank Perdues of the broiler industry. We have blasted the waste, the pollution, the lack of sustainability, the inhumanity, and the contamination of both our groundwater and our food supply that flow from a debased production system. Striving for a model which both protects natural and agricultural resources and offers our customers poultry fit to eat, we have rejected all thatall, that is, except the very heart of the industrys flawed system: the Cornish Cross chicken.

The Cornish Crosss greatest virtue is also its greatest vice: its phenomenal rate of growth. That growth is constantly outstripping all its bodily systemsits internal organs and nervous system as well as its skeletal structure. The inevitable results include not only the well-known leg problems and tendency to heart failurethe digestive system clearly lags behind as well. Look at the droppings: They always contain a fair amount of undigested feedindeed, sometimes look like nothing more than a wet feed mash. Whatever the statistics about conversion of feed to flesh seem to imply, clearly there is a great deal of waste and inefficiency here. A standard chickens droppings, in contrast, are usually firm, gray or greenish with a white coating, and show no trace of undigested feed.

The Cornish Crosslike the huge supermarket strawberry whose growth has been forced by over-fertilization and irrigationis lower in flavor than a bird that has had a more natural growth curve. Of course, to folks whose only experience of chicken has been the supermarket versionor worse yet, Mega McNuggetspastured poultry has been a revelation: Man, chicken was never like this! But I would be happy to put one of my barnyard chickens (slaughtered at about 12 weeks) up against any pastured Cornish broiler in the land in a taste test: They unquestionably have more flavor. And, if flavor is a measure of nutritional valueas I believe in a natural, unprocessed food it isthen again we should be asking, What is wrong with this picture?

I may be accused of waxing mystical here: But I believe that when we eat another living thing, plant or animal, we are eating not only its physical nutrients but its vitality as well. We have quite rightly condemned the broiler industry for producing chickens all of whom are sick, propped up by antibiotics, growth hormones, and other industrial voodoo. And yet we continue to offer the same birdraised without those contaminants and in a far more sanitary manner, to be surebut weak and low in vitality, propped up by high management inputs.

Let me emphasize as strongly as I can: These observations are not intended as a criticism of all those good folks who are working so hard to make pastured poultry a viable alternative. I know that the market has come to expect and demand that broad, plump Cornish breast. I know that the economic pressures on pastured growers are fierce; and that most feel they must have that seven or eight week grow-out in order to stay in business. However, I believe that the pastured poultry movement has matured to the point that we should be setting as a goal the production of an even better product. We should start by finding a viable alternative to the Cornish Cross.

In the long run, of course, the solution is to breed a better bird. And since no corporate or governmental agency is doing any breeding research relevant to pastured poultry needs, we are going to have to do that job ourselves. We should all start learning about the genetics of breeding. Some of us can contribute by making experimental crosses of our own; or working with one of the standard breeds that were the foundation of the broiler industry before the Cornish Cross, selecting for traits that will maximize both vitality and production on pasture. Perhaps APPPA could put together a working group and/or sponsor a conference to explore options in breeding a better pastured bird.

Recently I talked again with Tim Shell, who likewise is frustrated with the weaknesses of the Cornish. Excited about the prospects for line breeding, he has begun crossing cocks from one of the former broiler breeds [Delaware] onto hens of one of the Cornish Cross strains; and plans to continue crossing and selecting until he has a bird more suited to pastured production. He believes that careful selection through 10 to 14 generations will develop a genetically consistent chicken adapted to our model. [Note: In developing his Corndel cross, Tim actually found that he was able to get a stable pastured hybrid in about four years.]

Such a bird would:

Have enhanced viabilitymeaning that it would be sturdier, healthier, would have more on reserve to deal with episodes of stress such as changes in weather.
Exhibit much of the plumpness and broadness of breast of the Cornish Cross.
Be superior in flavor and nutrition to the Cornish.
Have a moderately fast growth ratebut a balanced growth in which not only muscle tissue but all systems are developing healthily and in sync.
Have an efficient digestive system which converts feed to flesh with a minimum of loss and waste.
Be vastly more proficient than the Cornish at rustling its own grub ranging on pasture.

Tims goal is to produce such a bird with an ideal grow-out of about nine and a half weeks. The costs of the increased turn-around would be offset by lower mortality, lower labor input, and reduced feed costs. Note that the latter two factors assume a model more along the lines of Andy Lees day-ranging model than the now-classic Polyface mobile pens, developed before the availability of electric net fencing in this country. I agree with Andy that the future of pastured production lies more with net fencing than with the pens in any case, given the lower initial materials and equipment costs and the reduced labor. But netting is essential if we develop a less lethargic, more active bird, which will need more space to range and forage a greater percentage of its feed.

The expanded foraging range may be the key factor in the sustainable production of an improved broiler. I regret that, due to the mixed nature of my own flock, I cannot give accurate feed-conversion comparisons. Years of experience has convinced me, however, thatwhen standard chickens have a large enough pastured area in which to roamtheir per-pound slaughter weight has a lower feed cost than the Cornish, even with the longer grow-out factored in.

In the short term, there are a couple of things that might be useful to try. I urge producers who have been working exclusively with Cornish Cross to raise a few of the standard breeds for broilers as well. (The White and Barred Rock, Delaware, New Hampshire, Wyandottes and others, as well as crosses among them, have at various times been important in broiler production.) See if you dont agree that these birds work with you in a way which is encouraging, in contrast to the fragility of the Cornish. Put some on your own table and see if you too find the flavor superior. Provide some to your more long-term and/or discriminating customers and ask whether they prefer the flavor. Certainly there is now a large enough universe of pastured poultry palates to ensure that there are many with the discrimination to recognize poultry that is even better.

post #9 of 15

Did you read about the Freedom Rangers?  One post here from a member that raised them this year and he loved them.

EDIT to add that if you want to stick with a heritage breed get some Orpingtons, for size and speed you can't beat them I don't think.  Get the buffs, the other colours have been show bred too much and are poor layers, poor fertility and unreliable broodies.  The buffs I got from McMurray I never should have sold in the move, they are all I needed.  The roos would be fantastic capons, but even as roos they don't fight much if raised together.

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post #10 of 15

I think you are preaching to the choir here.  Read this:

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12691

However, I disupte seriously that any purebreed can come close in performance, size or breast configuration with a crossbreed/hybrid.

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