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White SILKIE ROO with Black SILKIE hen...what will I get?

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I need help from all you experts!

I have a white silkie cockerel in with a black silkie pullet.  They are still really young right now, but I was wondering what kind of chicks I will get in the future?
Thanks!

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Originally Posted by crazy4eggsJulie 

I need help from all you experts!

I have a white silkie cockerel in with a black silkie pullet.  They are still really young right now, but I was wondering what kind of chicks I will get in the future?
Thanks!


You probably will get some white if the black one carries it. Do you know what color the white might be if it wasn't white...I call that a base. Blue based, buff based, and so on. What you will get will depend on the white's base color. If it is black you'd get black chicks, if it is blue, you'd get dark blues and not so dark blacks, if it is splash, you'd get blue chicks, if it is partridge you'd get dark partridges, if it is buff you'd get buffs with alot of smut in them or buffs that look like buff partridges.

White just covers the color the bird would otherwise be and that color is what the bird will pass on to some of it's offspring. Just as if it wasn't white at all.

Hope this helps,

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post #3 of 39
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Thanks.  It does helps.   These are just hatchery chicks, so unfortunately (being that I know NOTHING about genetics anyway) I have no idea what the base color was.  No telling what I'll get!

post #4 of 39

White X not white is completely unpredictable.  Chances of any true variety is pretty slim as whites have not been bred for any colour/pattern gene purity except white.

The colour/pattern genes carried by any two whites will be completely different except that both have 2 copies of recessive white.

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post #5 of 39
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Originally Posted by Sonoran Silkies 

White X not white is completely unpredictable.  Chances of any true variety is pretty slim as whites have not been bred for any colour/pattern gene purity except white.

The colour/pattern genes carried by any two whites will be completely different except that both have 2 copies of recessive white.


I have to disagree. The color/pattern genes carried by any two whites CAN be completely different. They don't have to be. If I take a buff based white and breed it back to a buff, I am going to get some lightened buffs. But this also has to do with what was bred to make the other color too. If it's parents or grandparents were a color cross that adds even more variables. I get whites every now and again out of my color stock and since I seperate and don't cross colors, I know what these whites carry and what effect they'll have on a breeding (if I ID them and all that which I don't usually- white here generally ends up with white). But you are right in that I wouldn't just pull any old hen out of my white pen blindly and expect any pure results (makes for a grand experiment though). God only knows what is running around in there as far as base colors. With birds in there that are from just about every pen I have or carry genetics from just about every pen- I could have anything in there.

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post #6 of 39

This is what i got out of a white silkie roo on black silkie hens...
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7 silkies, 3 silkie chicks, 2 EE's, 1 buff bantam cochin, 5 serama chicks, 2 call ducks, 4 rabbits, 1 dog, 5 finches, 2 parakeets
R.I.P. Little Duck
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7 silkies, 3 silkie chicks, 2 EE's, 1 buff bantam cochin, 5 serama chicks, 2 call ducks, 4 rabbits, 1 dog, 5 finches, 2 parakeets
R.I.P. Little Duck
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post #7 of 39

Are they barred (or cuckoo)?

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Originally Posted by Krys109uk 

Are they barred (or cuckoo)?


I'm glad you saw that also..  I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me... There is some barring in them. That would mean that there had to be barring in the background of one or the other right? Not just a white silkie rooster over a  black silkie hen...

Chris


Edited by Chris09 - 7/21/09 at 6:29am

 

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post #9 of 39

That would mean that there had to be barring in the background of one or the other right? Not just a white silkie rooster over a  black silkie hen...


If it is indeed barring, it would have been under the white & the OP was lucky. big_smile

I don't know how often this would happen with silkies, but sometimes people put barring & silver on black birds under recessive white. The silver is said to give a whiter white & possibly having the white on a black bird would have been thought to also negate the yellowish cast that some whites can have. I'd have thought the silver alone would have done this job but then I've never played with recessive white birds. smile

post #10 of 39

I have three that color, and there is barring. I dont know what is in the background of the parents. I usually get all black babies but this year got these three.  They are just pets and i assume not purebred. I dont really care just thought it was unusual. 
Sally

7 silkies, 3 silkie chicks, 2 EE's, 1 buff bantam cochin, 5 serama chicks, 2 call ducks, 4 rabbits, 1 dog, 5 finches, 2 parakeets
R.I.P. Little Duck
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7 silkies, 3 silkie chicks, 2 EE's, 1 buff bantam cochin, 5 serama chicks, 2 call ducks, 4 rabbits, 1 dog, 5 finches, 2 parakeets
R.I.P. Little Duck
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