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Originally Posted by Glenda L Heywood 

aS i HAVE READ THIS THRU AND AM STILL WONDERING HOW DOES THE CHICKEN GET OVER THE FUNGAL INFECTION?

AND DOES IT ALWAYS BOTHER THE CHICKEN?

thanks for any information as I do not understand how the crop gets rid of the fungal infection
thanks


Candida albicans (the usual cause of a "yeast infection" aka "thrush") exists in the system normally as a single celled fungal organism.  The term "yeast" is just really used as a vernacular term.

With certain body conditions (most notably temperature or the lack of competition from other more beneficial flora - like beneficial bacteria)*, it divides into a multicelled form (a multicellular mycelium)and then is classified as a fungus.  That's when it's a problem.  When it morphs, it develops threadlike filaments (mycelia).  Those filaments burrow into the intestinal wall, allowing substances to pass into the blood system (like toxins, more candida, undigested food particles which thereafter cause a reaction in the body to them). 

Nystatin is an anti-fungal agent which kills C. albicans with contact (thus the preference for an empty crop).  So with a continued application of nystatin, the fungal cell chains will decrease.  The addition of probiotics is a most important step in the treatment as there needs to be competition to prevent the C. albicans from morphing into the pathogenic form.  Lactobacilli and Bifidobacteria are notable for this in tandem.

Technically, ever chicken has C. albicans naturally occuring in its digestive tract, just not usually in the pathogenic form until conditions are right.  *And that is one of the many reasons why I am a big proponent of probiotics for stressed birds and young birds whose bacterial colonies are just developing.  Any stress causes a decrease in the natural beneficial flora (bacteria) in a bird.  That leaves the window open for opportunistic organisms (bad bacteria, fungi) to bloom.  So I don't allow them the opportunity and encourage others to do the same.

I hope this helps.  smile

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post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by threehorses 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenda L Heywood 

aS i HAVE READ THIS THRU AND AM STILL WONDERING HOW DOES THE CHICKEN GET OVER THE FUNGAL INFECTION?

AND DOES IT ALWAYS BOTHER THE CHICKEN?

thanks for any information as I do not understand how the crop gets rid of the fungal infection
thanks


Candida albicans (the usual cause of a "yeast infection" aka "thrush") exists in the system normally as a single celled fungal organism.  The term "yeast" is just really used as a vernacular term.

With certain body conditions (most notably temperature or the lack of competition from other more beneficial flora - like beneficial bacteria)*, it divides into a multicelled form (a multicellular mycelium)and then is classified as a fungus.  That's when it's a problem.  When it morphs, it develops threadlike filaments (mycelia).  Those filaments burrow into the intestinal wall, allowing substances to pass into the blood system (like toxins, more candida, undigested food particles which thereafter cause a reaction in the body to them). 

When this happens, the bird develops "yeast infections" in whatever part of the body applicable.  We see this in soured crops, vent "gleet" (waxy black or white substances on the vents of our birds), slowed digestion, unthriftiness, patches in the mouth and throat, etc.

Nystatin is an anti-fungal agent which kills C. albicans with contact (thus the preference for an empty crop).  Diflucan is often believed to be the more effective treatment as its method doesn't necessarily need an empty crop.  So with a continued application of nystatin, the fungal cell chains will decrease.  The addition of probiotics is a most important step in the treatment as there needs to be competition to prevent the C. albicans from morphing into the pathogenic form.  Lactobacilli and Bifidobacteria are notable for this in tandem.

Technically, ever chicken has C. albicans naturally occuring in its digestive tract, just not usually in the pathogenic form until conditions are right.  *And that is one of the many reasons why I am a big proponent of probiotics for stressed birds and young birds whose bacterial colonies are just developing.  Any stress causes a decrease in the natural beneficial flora (bacteria) in a bird.  That leaves the window open for opportunistic organisms (bad bacteria, fungi) to bloom.  So I don't allow them the opportunity and encourage others to do the same.

I hope this helps.  smile


Edited by threehorses - 7/1/09 at 3:44pm
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post #23 of 25

Hi all.

The information that threehorses has posted on this thread is so important and so very accurate. I've kept parrots for 35 years and some of those years were spent breeding pairs and handfeeding babies. I've handfed hundreds and have had experiece with yeast infections in birds.  The explanation and advice that Threehorses offered here is going to help numerous people and their birds suffering from yeast infections of the crop. Wow! Well done Threehorses...well done!

Karen+3chickens...I hope she is as good as new before you know it. I think you're on the right track. Good Luck...

post #24 of 25

jojo@rolling acres farm :

Hi all.

The information that threehorses has posted on this thread is so important and so very accurate. I've kept parrots for 35 years and some of those years were spent breeding pairs and handfeeding babies. I've handfed hundreds and have had experiece with yeast infections in birds.  The explanation and advice that Threehorses offered here is going to help numerous people and their birds suffering from yeast infections of the crop. Wow! Well done Threehorses...well done!

Karen+3chickens...I hope she is as good as new before you know it. I think you're on the right track. Good Luck...


Thank you.  I'm a parrot lover, too - since 1969 and counting.  lol  Does that date me or what?   Cheers to the our "inside chickens"  smile  Take care.

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