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i just got a new chicken at the sell this weekend. i believe she may be blind i put her in a seprate area so she could eat. i went out an hour later and she was gone. my great pyr showed me were she was (i hope she didn't do it) she has a large wound on the side of her neck and some back feathers missing. there were flies swarming her and there are yellow fly eggs stuck to her. how do i kill these eggs and get them off? i put peroxide in the wound. i gave her some sugar water. im keeping her in the house. i would really apperciate any advice.

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will swat kill the eggs??? is that ok to use on chicken?

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Can you wet their wings with a mister and pick them off?

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i seen something online that said vinegar will kill the eggs. so i wetted the areas with the eggs. some fell off but not alot. has anyone had to deal with this. the wound looks ok it seems to be just some feathers missing and just flesh wound. im just worried about the eggs hatching.

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your best bet is to take and use some peroxide on the mess and then take and put the chicken in a safe area and put a lot of honey on it

this will keep the flies from hatching

and then I may add if she is blind it is probably mareks and that is why they sold her

they just didn't want to cull her

the fly source needs to be kept clean and see if you can get her settled in a area so she can learn where the water and feed is

also put neospoum on the sore so it will heal

only use peroxide once as it kills new tissue

here is "threehorses" wound care article

threehorses 
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Registered: 04/20/2009 
Here's my usual way of doing wounds.  It's worked for some pretty extreme wounds, including one 2x1 wound that went all the way down to the silver covering of the spine of one bird.

First, gather materials:
VetWrap or similar self-adhesive wrap.
gauze wrapping type bandages or squares (depending on what you have to bandage)
non-stick pads (depending on what you have to wrap)
antibiotic ointment (neosporin, Swat for horses if you have flies around)
hydrogen peroxide (h202)
iodine
warm water
a needleless syringe - preferably a big one like 30 cc's
suture material if you need it (this ideally should be left to a vet)
a small pair of scissors like cuticle scissors are helpful
large scissors
(duct tape in some cases)
a good safe blood clotter.  I prefer Clotisol as it's not poisonous and clots IMMEDIATELY even in high blood situations.  You can even use it inside of beaks.  It's water based, lasts ages for a small bottle.  Seriously - ages.  You can pretty much only get it online, but it's a must-have for a cabinet.  Once you use it, you won't go back.
q-tips
papertowels
clean clothes that can be stained

DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO TREAT BY YOURSELF:
First, an important note.  It would be ideal if, as poultry owners faced with an injured bird, that the bird be taken to a qualified veterinarian who can not only dress the wounds, access the damage, but also prescribe the correct antibiotics and follow up as necessary.  This, first and foremost, is what I recommend for any wound situation that is more than minor.  Please take that to heart.

If instead you decide to treat the wound yourself, here are some basic instructions on how to do so.  Note that every wound, every case, is different.  Use your common sense and imagination on determining when this protocol must be flexed to fit your situation.

PREPARATION:
First, examine the bird and find all wounds.  Use your big and little scissors to trim feathers away from the area.  Try to only take as many as could touch the wound, no more - they need feather protection and the feathers won't grow back til next moult.  Also be careful, if wing feathers are near, not to cut the living flesh part inside feather quills. 

If the wounds are under the wing, sometimes you can simply wrap the wing in a t-shirt to keep whatever touches the wing clean.   Baby tshirts would be great for this.  Neck part at the top of the wing, fitted with a little duct tape on the cloth (not tight please) and just tie the other end of the tshirt.

Make sure to look very carefully against the skin for puncture wounds.  There might not be look, and puncture wounds are tricky and hard to find.  Note the location and severity of all wounds.

Cleansing:
Take your syringe and fill with H202 (straight) or h202 slightly diluted with water.  Use the syringe to vigously clean the wound area including in the wounds.  If the wounds are puncture wounds, use diluted water/h202, not straight.  You only use h202 the first time as it tends to burn tissues and keep them from healing if you continue.  But it's great for bubbling out bits of dirt from inside the wound.   Do this cleansing about three times per wound.

Follow up by rinsing out the h2o2 with a water/iodine mixture made to be just the color of slightly strong iced tea.  You want it warm.  Fill your same syringe that you used with the h2o2 and flush the wounds rather vigorously.

At this time, if there are any pieces of flesh that need to be removed, remove them.  This is where I use a q-tip dipped in a bottle-cap full of clotisol (so you don't contaminate the original bottle).   

Doing this on a table that's ok to stain is best.  I've done this on my truck's tail gate as I can clean it afterwards.  Place a lot of papertowels under the birds for these two cleansing phases to keep the drainoff from going everywhere.

Use another clean papertowel to dry the wound.  You want to leave some iodine solution inside the wound - it doesn't have to be skin-dry.  Just dry enough for some ointment to stick.

DRESSING:
Once the wound is well cleaned, then you'll want to dress it.  I use Neosporin and q-tips most often for this job.  If there are flies in the area at all, I will use Neosporin inside the wounds (ointment) and use Swat wound ointment for horses instead.  (It has fly repellent that's safe for poultry in it.)   I fill punctures with neosporin.  If they're deep, I stick the top of the tube into the wound (and throw away the tube after I'm done with everything).  Pack it.  You usually want air in a wound, but puncture wounds can sometimes heal on top first and leave a pocket inside.  The antibiotic ointment (not creme) is a little insurance against too much bacteria and thus abcesses.

If the wound is one that absolutely must be stitched, then pack it with the antibiotic ointment.  If you're using a flyproof ointment, wipe the wound and then use the fly-proof on top.  Otherwise just wipe slightly so there's a little antibiotic ointment on the important top part of the wound.  You don't want to stray too far from just the wound, keep the bird dry.

On closing wounds with sutures.  Puncture wounds shouldn't be sutured.  Bad bacteria love a place where there's no oxygen.  Suturing closes the wound and encourages festering within.  As much air as you can get to a wound, the better, except that the interior of punctures should have some antibacterial action going on.

I've had some serious wounds in my flock before.  The only time I've sutured was when a very large flap of skin was torn from the front of a neck (read as 3 inches by 10 inch flap).  Another recent case involves a possible rather large hole in a crop which, should it leak food, should be sutured.  Otherwise try to leave things open.  Poultry can regrow an amazing amount of skin back if there's muscle underneath.  New skin will granulate and grow in to fill in gaps that would surprise you.

On the areas that are just uncovered, I usually use antibiotic creme (versus ointment) because it's water based.  Sometimes I'll just put a thin smear of antibiotic ointment, however, if that's what I have.   Or fly-preventative ointment if there are flies in the area.

DRESSING WITH BANDAGES:
If at all possible, try not to cover with bandages.  The average bandage keeps air out and moisture in and not in a good way.  If you must bandage (a dirt floor area, extreme fly issues, etc) then try to keep the bandage to a minimum and very airy.  That's why I'm not a big fan of nonstick bandages.  They tend to trap moisture and cause a very warm airless area.  But sometimes you have to use them.  If so, cover the wound with the bandage.  Wrap twice with very gauzey gauze wrap.  Then put one layer only of VetWrap over.  If you must secure (to keep the bandage from falling, for example) you can use very thin strips of duct tape like you would tape a birthday present.  Using as little as possible, but a very strong tape like duct tape, helps let the air in. 

Sometimes I've even used just one layer of a very clean paper towel rather than use a non-stick.  Afterwards, if you have to remove it, you can soak with warm water and pick the bits out if it sticks.  Gauze tends to embed in wound seepage.

Think out of the box when it comes to covering areas that are wounded.  With my geese who had multiple puncture and surface wounds on their chest, and a high fly area, I used one white sheet that I formed into a sort of front-bib and tied behind their back.  T-shirts are also awesome to cover a bird's body.  Buy the appropriate size, slip the neck over their neck, their legs through the arm holes, cut two holes through which you slip their wings.   Gather the bottom end (cut so that you don't cover their vent) at the top of their back and duct-tape the cloth to make it stay fitted.  T-shirts are very airy, cheap, washable, and absorbent.

SUTURES:
If your bird requires stitches, suture material with thread attached can be found at many feedstores or purchased online ahead of time.  The size you want is for dogs and cats.  Sutures aren't stitched like a pillow case, but each stitch is its own knot.  The semi-circular needles of suture needles are ideal for going into and out of the skin.  Note:  stitching is not easy - skin is tough, usually the needle is slippery, and it's rather tough to do.  Overestimate the amount of suture material you need as you'll make knots and cut off the excess bit sticking up.

MAINTENANCE:
Many wounds, if properly cleaned and dressed and left airy, do not need much maintenance.  Oddly,  one of the best ways of telling whether or not a wound is doing well is by using your nose.  Smell the wound at the time of cleaning.  Wounds have a particular almost sweet but not cloyingly sweet smell.  Remember the smell.  Then smell the wound daily to see if you smell rot.  If you do, there's not enough air to the wound and possible infection going on.   

Wounds will seep a little - that's natural and the body's way of dealing with wounds.  Usually the seepage will be mostly clear and smell of wound.  However, if there's any opaqueness to it, or clotted texture, that's infection.  Also there will be some natural inflammation as the body tries to bully off the bad bacteria and bring in healing materials to the wound.  However excessive inflammation, discoloration (especially black or green), should be noted.

If a wound needs cleaning or examining, take off what bandages you can gently.  If they stick to the seepage from the wound, use warm water to soak the bandage parts remaining away from the drainage.

Then examine the wound, determine what needs to be done, and redress from the iodine stage onward.

ANTIBIOTICS:
Many wounds do not require additional antibiotics other than topical (on the skin) antibiotic dressings.  However in the case of animal bites that weren't caught immediately, cat bites, and wounds that have been sitting or are particularly deep, it may be a good idea to treat with antibiotics.  If you make this decision, please be sure to get one that is appropriate for wounds.  The packages at the feedstore are not.

Penicillin G Procaine (Aqueous Pen-G) is commonly found at many feedstores in their fridge section.  It's awesome to keep in your own fridge for a rainy day.  It's a very thick antibiotic and requires a thicker gauge needle.  I would use no thinner than a 22 gauge, preferably something more thick at a length of .75 to 1 inch.   At many feedstores, you can buy 3 cc syringes that are together already with needles.  These are nice to have on hand as well as that 30 cc syringe that you'll use to flush wounds.

Instructions on how to give an injection are available separately as well as how to treat with antibiotics.   If you do choose to use injectable antibiotics, be prepared to go the entire recommended course.  Penicillin G Procaine is a concentrated penicillin (they're not all created equally) and only is required to be given every other day.  Based on the type of antibiotic you expect to use, buy that many syringes plus two.

HEALING:
Birds in healing mode need help being stabilized, nourished, and hydrated.  We all know how delicate birds can be, but it's surprising how resilient they can be at times.  However, wounds will often depress a bird or cause them to go into shock.  A stressed or shocked bird may not be able to digest foods they're commonly given.  For that reason, I recommend only giving easily dissolved feeds when a bird is in the first stages of recovery.  Think crumbles, pellets, etc.  You don't want to make a drastic change in their diet ever,  much less when they're already stressed.  If a bird is reluctant to eat, try wetting the pellets/crumbles.  You can also add a boiled egg yolk (one per six cups of food) mashed into the crumbles.  I like to also give probiotics (yogurt, Fastrack, Probiocs, acidophilus, or whatever I have available) during this time to combat a secondary intestinal disorder from stress and change of way of eating.  Yogurt is simple.  You can mix 1 tablespoon per two cups of feed.   

The added protein in an egg yolk helps the bird to heal.  Adding a capsule of vitamin E to that mash (one per 2 cups of mash) also helps healing.  If the birds are stressy, or not able to eat normally, I'll use a vitamin/electrolyte mix in their water for the first few days.  I never ever use an oral antibiotic for wound treatment.  Period.

CONCLUSION:
It's unfortunately common that poultry are victims of predation and wounds.  They are delicate and, with their ultra-fast metabolisms, can die readily if they decide to.  Remember that an injured bird can often have internal injuries we never see.  If you lose them, just remember you tried your best.  However you might be surprised, with proper wound-care, how many of these birds recover to absolutely normal lives.   Just be patient as healing takes a while.  Usually separate the birds, but if they can be near their peers they take heart from it and will do better.

Good luck with your flock, and I hope this information has been helpful.
Nathalie Ross
(Please do not reproduce without permission of the author.  The author is not a veterinarian and does not intend to dispense information that at all should replace the advice of a qualified avian vet.)

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Edited by Glenda L Heywood - 7/13/09 at 1:43pm
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post #6 of 15
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right now she is up and moving around. i think she is only blind in one eye. she can see to get around but takes awhile to eat and drink. one eye looks bluish. she is very docile and dosent move that fast. should i be worried about the rest of my brids and mareks? she was out in the same area with them but in a seperate area so she could eat but when i found her she was out in the pasture with the other brids. will the swat kill he fly eggs that are on her? is ok if she injest some of the swat when she trys to preen?


Edited by chickencity - 7/13/09 at 4:35pm
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Swat won't kill the eggs, no.  In this heat, they'll likely hatch today.  You could spray the wound with screw-worm wound spray (available at feedstores that carry cattle supplies, and at TSC) on the wound and it will hopefully kill the larvae as they hatch.  That's my recommendation.  It will also help to repel more flies.  Spray her wound.  Dry off the rest of her. 

In the mean time, the article Glenda posted - I'd highly recommend you following it.  I'm here online today if you need help - feel free to email me, and I'll be subscribed to this post.

Looks like it's going to be a maggoty year this year.  /sigh

The Swat - I only use a tiny bit if I use it for prevention.  That way they can't preen much off.  If there's an issue, and you have an issue, I use the spray as it doesn't coat the same way - less easy to preen off into the beak.

You can try to cover the area to keep her from preening.  You might want to keep her up and inside until the area closes a little better.

As for her eye, is it greyed on the surface?  Is that the blu-ish tint you're seeing"?  Can you see her actual pupil?  Test it to see if it's reactive.  If you shine a light into it, does the pupil contract?  If you remove the light, does the pupil get large again?

If it doesn't move, or is misshapen (pupils in healthy chickens are absolutely round) then I'd want to rule out Mareks.  But honestly, even though it would be considered an active case, I had it in my flock with very very few losses.  I had one Marek's bird (ocular) who lived until he was 9 years old.  I never lost any other birds with him.

You can actually vaccinate adult birds if you wish to try.

http://www.firststatevetsupply.com/poultry-health/mareks-disease.html

You can also try innoculating them at the first sign of symptoms apparently.  But since the vaccination comes in large doses and is unusable hours after it's 'made' by you, I don't know that it's worth it to you.

In the mean time, we'll try to get this mama taken care of.

By the way don't lose heart or be surprised if maggots appear.  Clean them off, dress the wounds.  And then they might re-hatch later -  more from eggs.  Clean them off, redress.

Doing so under a red light helps it be less yucky. 

in the mean time, keep her up and separated til she heals.  And so you can more easily keep her clean and clean her off if larvae hatch.

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post #8 of 15
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all the feed stores around here are closed right now. i already put some swat on her. ill try to wipe some off. she also has a toe that is crooked, but didn't notice that untill she was on the ground. i thought she was just born that way but maybe its mareks? im  not sure but i think they said that she was maybe 6 weeks old. ill try to get some pics tonight. i have her in my house and its 75 degrees in that room so maybe they'll hatch slower. i'll check her eye while im getting pics.

post #9 of 15

Why cant you pick of the fly eggs with tweezers? and then put the stuff on they mentioned here ? Fly eggs get deposited in clusters so it should be fairly easy to pick them off. They hatch within 24 hours so by tomorow they will be bigger and shouldnt be a problem to pick `em off.

good luck with  her wink

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post #10 of 15
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i tried to pick them off but its almost like they are glued on. i havent seen any hatching yet so maybe the vinegar did work. she is sleeping now. i turned on the light and she didn't move. i really think she is blind. i cant really see a pupil in her eye its almost all one color its like a really dark blue-gry. i think i might go ahead and vac's the rest of my flock should i also vac's the ducks? they share the same pasture and coop. i really should i looked her over really good before agreeing to get her but she was really sweet so i got her. all their other chickens were perfectly normal healthy looking chickens.


Edited by chickencity - 7/14/09 at 4:07am
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