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post #31 of 39

this may be a stupid question...but if I use wazine in water first, then ivermectin, what is the harm to people that do eat the eggs b4 the 10 or 14 day period?

post #32 of 39
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Originally Posted by 1tifsunkip1 View Post
 

this may be a stupid question...but if I use wazine in water first, then ivermectin, what is the harm to people that do eat the eggs b4 the 10 or 14 day period?

@dawg53 made a comment about people and possible drug allergies. Maybe he'll add some comments here.

 

-Kathy

post #33 of 39

Some dewormers that are used on animals are the same ones approved for use in humans some are not.  If you deworm your birds with something not FDA approved for use in humans then consume the eggs there is technically the potential for adverse reactions. 

 

Low levels of dewormer residue in eggs is also the reason not to feed those eggs back to the chickens or your dogs during the withdrawal period.  Any remaining parasites they may be carrying, or that hatch in the meantime, will be exposed to those low levels while you feed back all those eggs.  That is how parasites build resistance.  That is already the case with Ivermectin dewormers, not very effective at all in poultry anymore.

 

Oh and by the way...NOT a stupid question but a very good one! :)


Edited by cafarmgirl - 1/23/14 at 2:51pm
wife to long suffering husband who has built more miles of fence, barns, coops and enclosures then one man should have to, two teenage boys, current flock of 13 assorted hens, 1 big red roo and a list of other assorted farm animals. 
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post #34 of 39

thanks for the help! glad to hear it wasn't a stupid question. i am new to chix and this is my first bout with worms. maybe safeguard or valbazen would be better?  saw that on here after hubby got the ivermectin sheep drench. maybe ts will let me return that!:th

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thanks for the help! glad to hear it wasn't a stupid question. i am new to chix and this is my first bout with worms. maybe safeguard or valbazen would be better?  saw that on here after hubby got the ivermectin sheep drench. maybe ts will let me return that!:th


Valbazen and Safeguard are both excellent choices.  I like to rotate between the two on a 2 x a year schedule.  Whatever you use just be sure to do a repeat dose in 10 days to clear out any eggs that hatched since the wormers won't kill worm eggs or cysts. 

 

Just to add, ivermectin pour on, such as Eprinex, is still a very good choice to use topically if you need to treat mites. 


Edited by cafarmgirl - 1/24/14 at 9:29am
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post #36 of 39

thank you so much Cafarmgirl! Now I have a plan and feel much better about it. Back to ts tmrw!

post #37 of 39
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The "don't use on birds intended for consumption" means immediate consumption.  The "withdrawal" time (the time that you eat neither the birds nor their eggs) is officially 14 days.

Wazine must be repeated and only kills adult worms, not larvae.  You will want to retreat in 2-4 weeks with a wormer that does kill larvae.  Otherwise you have to keep using wazine over and over to kill the larvae that become adults. 

Ivermectin and fenbendazole are the easiest to get and are effective and, though labeled for horses/cattle/swine, are great for poultry.

Ivermectin:  pour-on, injectable (used orally), or horse-paste.  Ask for dosage.  10 day withdrawal.
Fenbendazole (Safe-Guard):  horse paste.  bb-sized piece in the beak of each bird; 14 day withdrawal.

Do please worm first with Wazine.  THen follow up with the more broad spectrum wormers and do them at least twice annually thereafter.  Aim for when birds aren't laying so you don't have to toss their eggs.  You CAN feed their eggs back to them during withdrawal.

I just bought Wazine 17.  I have five 6 month old hens.  What would the dosage be for them?  The directions only specify 1 oz for 100 birds.  What would it be for five?

post #38 of 39
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The "don't use on birds intended for consumption" means immediate consumption.  The "withdrawal" time (the time that you eat neither the birds nor their eggs) is officially 14 days.

Wazine must be repeated and only kills adult worms, not larvae.  You will want to retreat in 2-4 weeks with a wormer that does kill larvae.  Otherwise you have to keep using wazine over and over to kill the larvae that become adults. 

Ivermectin and fenbendazole are the easiest to get and are effective and, though labeled for horses/cattle/swine, are great for poultry.

Ivermectin:  pour-on, injectable (used orally), or horse-paste.  Ask for dosage.  10 day withdrawal.
Fenbendazole (Safe-Guard):  horse paste.  bb-sized piece in the beak of each bird; 14 day withdrawal.

Do please worm first with Wazine.  THen follow up with the more broad spectrum wormers and do them at least twice annually thereafter.  Aim for when birds aren't laying so you don't have to toss their eggs.  You CAN feed their eggs back to them during withdrawal.

I just bought Wazine 17.  I have five 6 month old hens.  What would the dosage be for them?  The directions only specify 1 oz for 100 birds.  What would it be for five?


Dosage is the same for 1 bird or 1000 birds......one ounce wazine per one gallon of water.

post #39 of 39

Ok need advise here.  I had a hen acting strange.  Staying in the nest box and not eating.  I checked her out and her tail was down like a penguin.  She had a greenish diarrhea.  I separated  her and she never improved.  We put her down yesterday because I was worried she might be contagious and I have about 25 hens.  Several of the old timers in the area say it sounded like parasites so this morning I gave the rest of the flock Wazine and and antibiotic in their water.  Now I am second guessing myself.  I know we have to discard eggs for two weeks with the Wazine.  Some of the folks around here say they don"t even wait the two weeks.   I just read on another page that referenced a "chicken vet" with over 50 years experience that said never to use Wazine on chickens and that by doing so you are using it off label.  Not being 100% certain they had worms I feel like I may not have done the best thing for them.  Having said all that this flock is over two years old and I have lost the occasional bird for unknown reasons but otherwise it is a healthy group.  I did start using the "deep litter" method this winter for the coop and now I am wondering if this might have been the problem.  I am cleaning and disinfecting the coop this weekend in any case.  Any advise?  

 

Sad mama hen

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