Originally Posted by wingstone
Originally Posted by Blarneyeggs Sharron, from what I understand, formaldehyde is what kills it, as my birds free range, We can't really contain and 'cure' an area.
@Lisa, yes, very big change. Was just hanging with Popcorn and she follows me like a puppy. The original phone call I got about depopulation included the goats and dogs. I was not much more than a puddle of tears that day. After getting my small animal vet on the phone, I found that my dogs were at virtually no risk. The goats have all been tested and they were all negative. Chickens can not be tested in the same manner and can show a false negative.
@Wing, The second bird that we had tested was negative, but the bird had to be sacrificed to make that determination. A bit counterproductive, no? I keep turning this over and over in my mind to find a way to continue. MsLadyHawke has offered to keep a trio of my Partridge Orpingtons. That would mean I'd have to wait until those stubborn bittys come back into lay, hatch new birds and then have them stay off of our property for 4 years. It's the burdening someone else for 4 years part that I can't do.
We have been on the phone with the health department, the CDC, the department of agriculture and many veterinarians that are friends. It was made clear to me that this is not a disease that they they control and that if it were, they would already have been here in their Tyvek suits and cleaned house. The sad truth is that this disease is out there in the wild bird population and the only reason it showed up here is because I got the necropsy. My birds are acting healthy and happy, we tested a second bird and it was negative. We do know for sure that the original bird tested had the disease, and my personal choice is to not risk exposing my daughter or any other poultry. Having said that...I do keep wavering. I keep thinking, maybe we can just keep Popcorn and a friend for her, let them live out their lives and start the four year period after they're gone.... The Partridge Orpington pen is closed off from the other birds, maybe we could keep that group just until they start laying and then hatch from them.
I can't imagine our farm without poultry. But do not want to perpetuate the disease.
No one here is judging your decision, we are just trying to offer alternatives and of course we have questions of our own,,,,,,
You say it lives in the soil for 4 years, how can you be sure that the disease is gone before restarting, and if I am understanding right, this could have come from a wild bird that migrated and spent some time with you, how would you know when it is out of the wild population near you.
I know it is not the same as chickens but would a inside parrot or something like that also be at risk if they never go outside..
On a happy note, you are welcome to come visit when you need a poultry fix, and that offer still stands for your son, I will show him the processing procedure and maybe you can find a neighbor to raise a batch of meaties for you.
Oh no, not in the least. I don't think anyone is judging. Sorry if I sound defensive, it's just my tendency to over explain things (gift of gab and all that). I definitely feel supported here. I'm overwhelmed by the kindness and generosity shown to me from this group. It's also pretty much the only place I can brainstorm with people who actually get it.
I have considered that after 4 years, the disease could still be here. This is the time frame that New Bolton gave me, the study I read has 4 years as the worst case scenario, I hope to avoid this disease in the future by following that guide line, but saw that there are things I could do to shorten that time frame. Like covering the effected area with 1/2 inch of saw dust (one example) As simple as that sounds, it's just too big of an area. I'll cover all the runs with lime and maybe mulch over the lime with fallen leaves. I believe the disease came here from wild crows, I can never be sure, but they seem to be here more than other birds and the studies I've read point to them as the likely carriers. My hope is that by removing the poultry food, the crows will move on to greener pastures. I don't think we will go down the exotic route, but I am considering raising some quail.... they could be kept off the soil, and still provide eggs and meat. Just a thought.
My son is dying to get to your place and learn the whole processing thing, one of these days.
LMP!! Good to see you back, hope you're feeling better. I've got my daughter out of the hospital and at home with me now, life is good.
And on another happy note...the goats are in season, so time to start planning for baby goatees.