Originally Posted by JosieChick
Hawkeye- Do you guys ever worry about your birds catching something when you are showing? Do you quarantine your show birds when they come back home? That is my biggest fear, it might seem silly but who knows what a bird in the cage next to them might be hiding and if they catch it and bring it home to your whole flock? Makes me very nervous taking them out like that and then bringing them back....I really would love to get into it though. I have a handful of decent cochins and would love to see how they do in a show. Plus its always fun to meet friendly chicken folks! Oh, where is the NPIP site? I thought in Kansas you had to test all birds that were breeding age?? Danz?? Why not test ducks but test geese? So confused somedays!
I'm not too worried, but I know there is concern, for sure. Something I've thought of is that I have seen others use plastic sheilds between their cages. I think that's really smart, but I haven't made a shield. I'm not really sure how they got it in there! There is really only a small door on the front of the cage. Perhaps it is flexible to be rolled up. I know they attached it with twist ties on each end. I have my silkies separate, and so they have no contact with the layers or their coop at all. I suppose if something were to happen, it would only affect one flock, which would still be a shame as this is the one I have invested the most money in! I do have a quarantine area I set up last when I had those birds shipped to me. I have bought a whole bunch of those wire dog kennels and stacked them in the garage. Now, not really ideal when it's sooo hot now, but the option is there. I was also thinking about throwing them in the horse stall I prepared for last years chicks. That would be a large open space and have lots of ventilation.
Originally Posted by mikeksfarmer
One example comes to mind here; I doubt any of you could take your flock of birds and dig up your favorite flowers and load them up in a U-Haul and drive to CA for a new start.
If you are participating in the National Poultry Improvement Plan (NPIP) and have the certification, you can ship or move your birds.
Originally Posted by chicken danz
Hawkeye, I'm not disagreeing with you on your information. Not sure which site you got it from. However, I do know that in order to be certified NPIP clean for breeding, all birds of breeding age have to be tested. I tend to follow the national rules that are specified for hatcheries and breeders since most people who want their flock verified clean are planning to sell their birds,chicks or eggs and often ship those birds across state lines. I admit I might have missed something in my studies and you might save me a lot of testing if you can point me in the right direction.
It is apparent though if you had 40 chickens and got them from different breeders unless they were all certified clean, and you only tested 30 of those birds you could miss infected birds in your flock. Not all chicks with pullorum die and grow into adults which spread it to their offspring. You could potentially spread it to every bird on the place. You can test select birds for the fair and your fine but if you want to be sure your flock is clean I do believe all birds should be tested. Most of us don't get our birds from a single source.
Josie I think the duck thing is in the Kansas rules for exhibition and swap meets. I have no idea why they chose not to test ducks for these things. It doesn't make sense. I don't think geese are necessarily considered water fowl where ducks typically are. There is so much gray area in there. I have made several calls to Dr. Grosdidier who is in charge of administering the NPIP program in Kansas trying to get full answers to many of those questions. And with each state setting up it's own rules to administer the program it becomes more and more confusing.
Each year they make changes to the provisions and the rules and a person almost has to attend the national meeting in order to know what is current and what is not. I just kind of go with what I believe is the safe and best.
Danz I found it on the usda website-- http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/animal_dis_spec/poultry/ but darned if I can find the link I clicked! LOL Ah well, yes, I think it's pretty smart to test every bird because you make an excellent point about birds coming from different places. :) But on that site I just linked to-- it says ALL waterfowl must be tested... so why aren't we testing ducks here??? I wonder what the deal with that is. That seems kind of dumb to test everything else except them.
And I have a question for you! What if you have two separate flocks like I do? I assuming the smartest move would be to test every single bird on the property even though the other flock will never be shipped, exhibited, etc... I haven't done much reading on this, so are these AIR borne diseases, or simply contact (fluid, fecal, etc).
Originally Posted by Trish44
I about had heart failure earlier when I went out to leave. On my way to the garage I looked over at the run & there trying to get around the door that was propped open was one of the Swedish Flower Hen chicks, it had escaped the grow-out pen & not only was outside of it's pen, but outside the run too. I had to drop everything & go catch it fast while it was trying to figure out the door. It turned out they had dug a hole under the pen & fortunately it was the only one out, so I put it back in & put bricks there. Whew, that scared, me those are some precious chicks besides the Cream Legbars that are my other expensive ones.
glad your Swedish Flower didn't get away-- those are expensive birds! What are you talking about with a "crest"?? Are some of yours getting crests on them?? I've seen plenty of pictures of them, but not with crests. I think that would look so cool!
Originally Posted by chicken danz
Josie like I said different states have different rules. She may be able to legally ship out of her state but she may not be able to ship into the some states. Kansas for instance doesn't legally allow any eggs or birds to be shipped in without PT test papers. It happens but it's not legal. The PO doesn't take responsibility for enforcing the law so it slips through the cracks all the time. In Oklahoma for instance, their testing is cheaper and easier to get done but they are very strict about bringing any bird of any kind in from out of state without the correct forms. Again it happens but you had better not get caught doing it.
I sold to some people in Oklahoma and had to have separate test papers for those birds that were one within 30 days of when they crossed the state line.
I personally would like to see the rules become a little more stringent. There have been some recent incidents of positive tests in the country and it worries me a lot. I want to feel comfortable if I do happen to buy a bird or eggs from someone else to know I am not going to infect my flock in the process.
It's a time bomb thing with more and more back yard flocks. The hatcheries are monitored and inspected, but depending on how closely a state keeps these inspections, even they could sell infected chicks, especially those that contract out to other entities to purchase chicks rather than hatching all of their own.
There is no profit in the program so it could easily loose funding in the government cutbacks. Scary thing
Scary! So far, I've only dealt with NPIP flocks. BUT, the PO is really bad about not checking avian boxes because the breeder said that she was sending the NPIP forms with my birds.... and it was taped to the INSIDE of my box! The box was not opened. How would they know that my birds were NPIP??? No questions at the sorting center when I picked them up at the Airport, either! They just asked me what kind of birds I had shipped. Actually, they were so interested, I got Zorro out to show them and they were shocked at what he looked like and he rode home on my lap and looked out the window and talked to me the whole time. Such a good boy. But his papers, even though they were still viable (not yet a year out of date)-- they can't be used in Kansas. Which is no big deal to me if they have to be tested again. Danz, if you come down to do anyone, I want in, because I want to have both my flocks NPIP rather than just certain birds I am exhibiting.
Originally Posted by sapphireblu76
Yep, them old bad roosters. Sometimes you just gotta CHOP their heads off!
LOL!! Yep, having a dad that loved and raised chickens -- I grew up with birds and it didn't take much to have a "Sunday chicken" on the table when a rooster was being mean. Or when our laying hens got past their laying days... Adios girls! The most we ever did at one time was those awful Leghorns-- we butchered 20 of them in one day. Bleah. I can still smell that smell... Don't worry, didn't take me off from eating chicken, but I'd rather eat them and not pluck and gut them. Sigh.