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yes silver pullets and yellowish cockerels on the first cross, all quail patterned.


Yes there is a genetics calculator for virtually every species of poultry out there, most all made by Henk on here, he is a master at this stuff. Enter your colors in and  it has always proved to be acurate in the real world results

I learned off this one

http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

I am also using his call duck calculator for my projects in those.

well in the US there's 14 colors in the ABA standard and 9 in the APA standard though  many are virtually none existent here.
In Germany there is 30 or so colors.

The US ABA standard is
quail
black
lavender
blue
black mottled
cuckoo
mille fleur
blue quail
buff
bb red
porcelain
white
columbian
buff columbian

Personally I have 30 colors and counting, so really if theres a will , you can make any color your heart desires.

In addition to the US  colors, Germany also has silver duckwing, gold duckwing, birchen, silver laced, gold laced, silver quail, lavender silver quail, cream milles, red,goldneck,red pyle,blue buff columbian,blue red, blue silvers,and a few others.  Not sure what the standard is in the UK, I've heard they are pretty scarce there.

The colors I currently have are
quail, blue quail, dun quail, khaki quail, splash quail, silver quail, bb red, brown red, blue red, crele,cuckoo, blue cuckoo, dun cuckoo, lavender cuckoo, buff,black mottled, dun mottled,white, black, blue, splash, dun,ginger red, mille fleur, blue milles, splash milles, porcelain, lavender, red pyle, columbian, buff columbian, blue buff columbian, lavender buff columbian, lavender barred columbian....might be a bit over 30

Ones I am working on
buff laced, gold laced, silver laced, goldneck, lavender silver quail, khaki, khaki mottled, blue mottled, lavender quail, barred quail, silver duckwing, gold duckwing, birchen, lemon milles and a few others. Then various combos  of these in blue, dun, barred, dominate white, mottled and lavender

That's what you'd get the first time on the colors you mentioned

Now with these, depending on which way you wanted to go..it will get  more detailed and various combos will happen.
Say you took the pullets back to the original father, you took the cockerels back to the mother, or if you crossed siblings.... Most of the time these things can vary greatly on what your F2's ( the second years offspring) will end up being.

It the case of your crossings with the silver quail male to the quail hen

F1  (the first cross) will be  silver quail hens and yellowish quail males

depending on how you go this will be the results for your next cross (the F2)

IF you take the  silver quail hens back to the original silver quail father, all F2 chicks will be silver quail
IF you take the yellowish males back to the quail mom,   you will get 50% quail in both sexes, more silver quail hens and more yellow quail males  (you can never make a yellow pullet)
If you back cross the F1 chicks to each other  you will get,  silver quail in both sexes, yellow quail males, and quail pullets....

YEP it runs that way some times. Just remeber all your pullets will be silvers, so get you a few unrelated quail hens to put on him and let him sire all of them. Keep track by toe punching or some other method of marking which hens came from which mother. If you can them find another silver male, that'd be great, IF  not, there is no harm in taking them back to the father. That's aclled line breeding, breeders do it all the time.
By going back to a parent bird, only half the dna is being shared, where as siblings will be sharing  the same full dose.
If you did get a new male, great, if not you can still continue to develope the color this way. By keeping up with what pullet was from each mother, you can then do the same with the new silvers. and get some males that are only half related to most of the hens, and so on. With limited numbers in some colors, this is just the way you have to do it. Of course if you can find some blues, you can make more silvers that way too.