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post #1 of 12
1/8/08 at 12:35pm
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I go to a local auction last night looking for some hens. 

This old guys has some birds for sale, one rooster with six hens.  They look very nice and pretty young.  He tellls me they are from "this summer" and should start laying in just a few weeks.

They looked like some kind of game hen to me?  Then he tells me some long winded story about where he got them and that they are "red jungle fowl", I ended up buying the birds.  There where very few bidders present and I got them for $3.25 each.

So I do some checking online today and find a picture of them online and they look just like my birds!  So I guess I now have a flock of "Red Jungle Fowl".  big_smile

Anyone know anything about these birds?

I tried to post a picture, but the hosting site I use is down right now, I may try again later this week.

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post #2 of 12
1/8/08 at 12:37pm

Do you have the link to where you found the pics of them?

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11 Modern game bantams, 3 Cornish bantams, 4 White Showgirls, 8 Seramas, 4 OEGB, 2 Marans, A rediculouse amount of NN's, An unesasary amount of chicks, 2 quail, 7 Turkeys, 2 Goats, 2 Horses, 3 Dogs, a high feed bill, and Bantam Polish soon.
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post #3 of 12
1/8/08 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by S n M Poultry 

Do you have the link to where you found the pics of them?


http://www.cacklehatchery.com/rdjunglfowl.html

Mine look just like the two in the photo, my hens may even have less come than the one in the photo, a preferred trait I read... wee

The rooster cut loose this morning, he sounds new at it, he may have had some big brothers in his old home place. wink

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post #4 of 12
9/3/08 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by seagullplayer 

I go to a local auction last night looking for some hens. 

This old guys has some birds for sale, one rooster with six hens.  They look very nice and pretty young.  He tellls me they are from "this summer" and should start laying in just a few weeks.

They looked like some kind of game hen to me?  Then he tells me some long winded story about where he got them and that they are "red jungle fowl", I ended up buying the birds.  There where very few bidders present and I got them for $3.25 each.

So I do some checking online today and find a picture of them online and they look just like my birds!  So I guess I now have a flock of "Red Jungle Fowl".  big_smile

Anyone know anything about these birds?

I tried to post a picture, but the hosting site I use is down right now, I may try again later this week.


what auction site is that??

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post #5 of 12
9/3/08 at 3:24pm

These birds are also called more commonly as Black Breasted Red OEG's and yes they seem to be quite rare but can be found with little trouble. I have 1 Rooster and 4 Hens this rooster is so cool looking and the hens are real lookers. how about yours what do they look like.

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post #6 of 12
9/1/09 at 10:26pm

Hello...

If they look like them, chances are they are NOT Junglefowls. Jungle fowls...for the most part... must have at least blue/grey legs and the REAL good specimens will have more towards the black/ashy color. Another thing is if they are shapped like that, most likely they are crossed with BBRed Old English or something of the like.

I have some pictures on my homepage that can give you an idea of what the different strains of Junglefowls look like: www.TommysPetParadise.com

Good luck!

- Tommy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by S n M Poultry 

Do you have the link to where you found the pics of them?


http://www.cacklehatchery.com/rdjunglfowl.html

Mine look just like the two in the photo, my hens may even have less come than the one in the photo, a preferred trait I read... wee

The rooster cut loose this morning, he sounds new at it, he may have had some big brothers in his old home place. wink

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post #7 of 12
9/2/09 at 1:17am
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Originally Posted by al6517 

These birds are also called more commonly as Black Breasted Red OEG's and yes they seem to be quite rare but can be found with little trouble. I have 1 Rooster and 4 Hens this rooster is so cool looking and the hens are real lookers. how about yours what do they look like.

                                   AL


Junglefowl, Old english, American gamefowl, Spanish gamefowl, and various others are confused too often because of how close they look.. But upon further inspection you can tell the differences in them (especially personalities) if you know what to look for.


My experience with junglefowl (got them from ideal) is they are wild, absolutely crazy birds that couldn't be tamed no matter how hard i tried.. They're common in places like the Philippines, Malaysia, along with a few other places where they still run wild.  They are small birds, and should not be very much bigger than i think around 3 pounds for the cock.. We do not have pure ones in the US though, and if we do they're rare and will not be found easily.. The real ones are even more nuts because they're still "intact" and more to their wild nature.. They are  very good fliers because they had to be able to escape from predators so they would fly up into high trees.. There are vids of them/how good of fliers they are on youtube.

ETA: Oh yeah, and like cackle said, they're the ancestors of most of our domestic chickens...


Vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfOZQbEsX_A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2URAaMtM8&feature=related


Edited by DTchickens - 9/2/09 at 7:59am

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No matter how hard things get, always fight for what you believe in- Daniel
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post #8 of 12
9/2/09 at 7:46am

Daniel,

I am glad you point that out : )

Thanks for those video clips by the way. Now THOSE are some real wild Jungle Fowls. Haha. Yes, they get very frightened when approached that way in cages. My Vietnamese Junglefowl line does pretty much the same thing when I lock them up and approach them that way. The younger ones I raise on my own gets a little more calmer but boy are they still quite jumpy.

Anywho, I know its hard to believe but I rather be clear to help you and many others who buys from Ideal, Cackle, McMurray or any other "hatchery" related source.

old HATCHERIES OF ANY KIND, LOCATION, OR REPUTATION DOES !!!NOT!!! CARRY THESE AS THEY CLAIM: JUNGLEFOWLS, PHOENIX IN WHICH THEY CLAIM TO HAVE 20FT. TAILS (ONLY THE "ONAGADORI" IS CAPABLE OF CARRYING THAT) OR SERAMA (SERAMAS) old

That is the truth because my bird friends and I have intentionally bought those kinds of breeds from those places to compare with our direct source where we get ours and its completely different in looks, shape, size, personality, etc. For example, none of the Junglefowls we bought from the hatcheries listed above and a few others have grey legs (very basic physical principle of the Jungle Fowl), none of the Phoenix birds have tails longer than 3ft. long and none of the Serama stood straight and proud like how Seramas should be and they all weight around Class C or D...

BE CAREFUL!!! he

Best wishes,

- Tommy

PS: Hatcheries deal with 100s and 100s of breeds, what are the chances that they can PERFECT a certain breed unless its something everyone wants like egg layers and such? What gets ordered most often is what they will focus their work on. How many people do you think orders Junglefowls, Phoenix, or Serama and such a year compared to "egg-laying/productive" breeds out there? Something to keep in mind wink

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Originally Posted by DTchickens 
Quote:
Originally Posted by al6517 

These birds are also called more commonly as Black Breasted Red OEG's and yes they seem to be quite rare but can be found with little trouble. I have 1 Rooster and 4 Hens this rooster is so cool looking and the hens are real lookers. how about yours what do they look like.

                                   AL


Junglefowl, Old english, American gamefowl, Spanish gamefowl, and various others are confused too often because of how close they look.. But upon further inspection you can tell the differences in them (especially personalities) if you know what to look for.


My experience with junglefowl (got them from ideal) is they are wild, absolutely crazy birds that couldn't be tamed no matter how badly i tried.. They're common in places like the Philippines, Malaysia, along with a few other places where they still run wild.  They are small birds, and should not be very much bigger than i think around 3 pounds for the cock.. We do not have pure ones in the US though, and if we do they're rare and will not be found easily.. The real ones are even more nuts because they're still "intact" and more to their wild nature.. They are  very good fliers because they had to be able to escape from predators so they would fly up into high trees.. There are vids of them/how good of fliers they are on youtube.

ETA: Oh yeah, and like cackle said, they're the ancestors of most of our domestic chickens...


Vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfOZQbEsX_A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2URAaMtM8&feature=related

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post #9 of 12
9/2/09 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by TommyVT 

Daniel,

I am glad you point that out : )

Thanks for those video clips by the way. Now THOSE are some real wild Jungle Fowls. Haha. Yes, they get very frightened when approached that way in cages. My Vietnamese Junglefowl line does pretty much the same thing when I lock them up and approach them that way. The younger ones I raise on my own gets a little more calmer but boy are they still quite jumpy.

Anywho, I know its hard to believe but I rather be clear to help you and many others who buys from Ideal, Cackle, McMurray or any other "hatchery" related source.

old HATCHERIES OF ANY KIND, LOCATION, OR REPUTATION DOES !!!NOT!!! CARRY THESE AS THEY CLAIM: JUNGLEFOWLS, PHOENIX IN WHICH THEY CLAIM TO HAVE 20FT. TAILS (ONLY THE "ONAGADORI" IS CAPABLE OF CARRYING THAT) OR SERAMA (SERAMAS) old

That is the truth because my bird friends and I have intentionally bought those kinds of breeds from those places to compare with our direct source where we get ours and its completely different in looks, shape, size, personality, etc. For example, none of the Junglefowls we bought from the hatcheries listed above and a few others have grey legs (very basic physical principle of the Jungle Fowl), none of the Phoenix birds have tails longer than 3ft. long and none of the Serama stood straight and proud like how Seramas should be and they all weight around Class C or D...

BE CAREFUL!!! he

Best wishes,

- Tommy

PS: Hatcheries deal with 100s and 100s of breeds, what are the chances that they can PERFECT a certain breed unless its something everyone wants like egg layers and such? What gets ordered most often is what they will focus their work on. How many people do you think orders Junglefowls, Phoenix, or Serama and such a year compared to "egg-laying/productive" breeds out there? Something to keep in mind wink

~ Tommy's Pet Paradise ~

Quote:
Originally Posted by DTchickens 
Quote:
Originally Posted by al6517 

These birds are also called more commonly as Black Breasted Red OEG's and yes they seem to be quite rare but can be found with little trouble. I have 1 Rooster and 4 Hens this rooster is so cool looking and the hens are real lookers. how about yours what do they look like.

                                   AL


Junglefowl, Old english, American gamefowl, Spanish gamefowl, and various others are confused too often because of how close they look.. But upon further inspection you can tell the differences in them (especially personalities) if you know what to look for.


My experience with junglefowl (got them from ideal) is they are wild, absolutely crazy birds that couldn't be tamed no matter how badly i tried.. They're common in places like the Philippines, Malaysia, along with a few other places where they still run wild.  They are small birds, and should not be very much bigger than i think around 3 pounds for the cock.. We do not have pure ones in the US though, and if we do they're rare and will not be found easily.. The real ones are even more nuts because they're still "intact" and more to their wild nature.. They are  very good fliers because they had to be able to escape from predators so they would fly up into high trees.. There are vids of them/how good of fliers they are on youtube.

ETA: Oh yeah, and like cackle said, they're the ancestors of most of our domestic chickens...


Vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfOZQbEsX_A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2URAaMtM8&feature=related



I agree, hatcheries rarely do have pure stock (of anything). It's noted in quite a few breeds, especially the rare breeds they claim to have. 


PS. I've been to your site a few times by the way wink, used to enjoy looking over the American onagadori pictures.

Fourth generation poultry breeder focusing on Kraienköppe- the breed that won my heart and replaced all others on my farm.

No matter how hard things get, always fight for what you believe in- Daniel
http://www.freewebs.com/dtsfowl/

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Fourth generation poultry breeder focusing on Kraienköppe- the breed that won my heart and replaced all others on my farm.

No matter how hard things get, always fight for what you believe in- Daniel
http://www.freewebs.com/dtsfowl/

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post #10 of 12
9/2/09 at 7:33pm

Daniel,

You only USED to enjoy...USED too? Did I hear from? Uhhh ohhhh!!!

Haha. Just kidding. I know you come back now and then. Lol. Anyways, there are plenty of updates up. Will finish all the updates before Sep. 15th of this month.

Tune in by then! : )

Kind regards,

- Tommy

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