sexing chicks ... french black copper marans

Well in my experience the roos have more brown on their wings and neck. This becomes readily apparent as their feathers start coming in. However, my birds are from two well-established breeders, so this may hold true only for these specific lines. As we all know, the variation in color corresponds directly with the quality and breeding of the parent stock. I think if you have hatchery stock, you are probably at a disadvantage, as their get shows greater variation in depth/richness of color. There can be outstanding specimens mixed with those more of a "ho-hum" coloration. I am a comb inspector too. I am counting points, so I look at my chicks combs often. I agree that the roos typically have more pronounced combs in size and shape. I notice definite differences around weeks 3 and 4. Hope this helps!

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Post pictures on the "what breed/gender is this" board. You should be able to get fairly accurate answers at 6 weeks.

You cannot tell by egg color or feather color at hatch (they should all look the same) I didn't try feather sexing my last set of BCM's, but I will try with my current hatch and let you know how that goes.

With my blue and black marans that are 4 weeks old. I can definitely tell some of them are roos because thier combs are larger and have a lot of reddish color in them and a few are getting wattles already. The ones that I think are femals don't have too much comb yet and no wattles at all and no color in their combs. Some of my BCMs that are a few weeks are starting to get larger combs with a hint of color creeping in also seem to have thicker legs and rooish personalities lol. I have read that the male BCMs have lighter feet and the females have darker feet. It seems somewhat true right now, but won't know for sure for a few more weeks.

i <heard> that if it is a girl the egg is round, and if its a boy its pointed

I have a black silkie who only lays rounded eggs and a white Silkie that only lays pointed eggs so I don't think egg shape is very informative.

I have a dozen 10 week old black copper chicks. The three largest black and white chicks with white tipped wings, and more white around their eyes, turned out to be pullets. and the other 9 turned out to be roos. Most of them had a brown hackle at one week old, and were smaller than the pullets. They were easy to tell at 6-7 weeks old when the combs of the roos were very red compared to the pullets small pale colored combs.

No no and no!!!!
Roosters don't have penises, hens don't have vaginas! They both have cloaca
You can't tell the gender of the chick by if the egg is round or pointed
The bigger, yellower combed birds tend to be Roos (some are very obvious) and the dirtier combed ones tend to be hens, but this holds true for straight combed birds, and even then it's not 110%

Both roosters and hens of the Black Copper Marans have feathered feet. Another fact I just learned is that They should have red/orange eyes. All mine have olive green but all the other characteristics are correct.


Black Copper/ Brown Red

Black Copper Brown Red Marans Cock & Hen

Cock : Black-breasted red, with parsimonious red spotting on the breast. Having a black wing triangle. The red markings are not to be yellow or mahogany. Copper colored lancets in the neck hackle & the back. Deep red shoulders.

Hen : Black with red hackle markings but without the typical Birchen breast lacing. Very slight red breast marking is acceptable. Green sheen is not required.

General Appearance:
Body : strong, fairly long and wide especially near the shoulders which are held high.
Neck : long, fairly strong, tending to curve in on top towards the skull; the hackles are made of many long and abundant feathers covering the shoulders well
Back : long, flat, slightly concave towards the rear
Saddle : large, slightly raised but not rounded, covered with many lancets
Breast : strong and large
Abdomen : well developed
Wings : short , kept close to the body
Tail : strong at its base, quite short, fairly up without going over 45 °
Head : average size, slightly flat and long
Comb : simple, of an average size, with a fairly rough texture. Sharp edges. The lobe not touching the nape
Wattles : average size, red with a fine texture
Ear-lobes : average size, red and long
Face : red colored with or without down
Eyes : bright, with a orangey-red iris
Beak : Quite strong, slightly hooked and horn-colored
Shanks : big, without vulture hocks
Tarsi : average size, with some feathers white or lightly pink colored for all the varieties except for the BLACK, BROWN-RED and BIRCHEN Marans were gray or dark gray is permitted, although not preferred, for both sexes. Four long and well separated toes with the outer one sparsely feathered. The claws are white or horn- colored.

The Hen
Smaller than the cock, with a large, strong and more rounded body, a straighter back line, a well developed abdomen, and a fine comb, straight or inclined only in the rear part.

We will no longer carry the proposed APA submitted standards on our web site due to unaccountably and rapid changes of them. MOAC encourages its members to adhere to only the French standard and have this as our goal within our breeding programs. Later, upon request only, we may post APA Approved standards for breeders who are interested in comparing the USA Modern Marans Standards to the Original French Standards if they are approved in the future.







Serious defects: Below brown spots on body.
DQ'd Hen, Partridge Look straw color in hackles and breast.

Black Copper Marans Chick



More Information On USA Breeders for Black Copper Marans.

North River Exotic Birds
Scott & Debbie Thomsen
9249 Dubuque Street
Norwalk, IA 50211
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 515-961-9979
Marans Variety: Black Copper, Wheaten, Birchen and
Golden Salmon
Other Poultry: Sebastopol Geese, Blue India Peafowl,
Exotic Pheasants-brown and blue eared,
Temminck's Tragopans, Swinhoe, Red golden, Amherst
Flying A Farm
Steve & Laura Undem
19189 Hale Mountain Road
Canehill, AR. 72717
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 479-466-4881
Marans Variety: Black Copper
Other Poultry: Partridge & Wheaten Penedesencas, Welsummers, Barred Bantam Cochins (also Frizzled) Splash Polish Crested, Blue Polish Crested, Bourbon Red & Harvest Gold Turkeys
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Purely Poultry
Tyler Danke
PO Box 1065
Oshkosh, WI 54903-1065
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 920-472-4068
Marans Variety: Feathered Shanked Black Copper,
Blue Copper, Cuckoo Marans for
sale in 2010
Other Poultry: 300 breeds of Poultry

Mike Bercsa
1412 S. White Ave.
Pomona CA. 91766
Email: [email protected]

Marans Variety: Black Copper, Blue Copper, Splash
Other Poultry: Silkies, Showgirls

I know this is an older thread but have some question. I have three that hatched that should be BCM. One has more white eyeliner than others but has bigger comb at birth...is this indicative or not important? If not much white eyeliner but still black with white belly would it be BCM or something elee... Roo could have found someone else... Thanks

I hope someone more experience answer your q's, am new to Copper Marans too. I have purchased 4 of them 3 weeks ago, 3 has feathers on outer section of legs and one clean shank. They are from Wade Jean line (w/c never meant anything for me until I research what it meant). The breeder that I got this from are very reputable. I'm posting photos maybe you can compare(@1 week old)https://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/6848398/width/200/height/400[/IMG
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