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post #41 of 48
1/12/10 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by chickenlover54 
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Originally Posted by jeslewmazer 
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Originally Posted by Dustin Biery 

Just because there are only a few accepted by APA doesn't mean that they have to conform to those standards (unless showing in an APA show).  There are also different strains that throw different characteristics (i.e. Hyderabads).  Asil are recognized in BBR and dark varieties in the APA, but if you cross those two, you are not going to get one or the other, but the bird is still pure Asil, just not a recognized variety.


You are apparently a now it all about chickens so there is no point to express my opinion. I was not try to get corrected, just trying to express my opinion, and let everyone else do the same.  But I guess everyone does not matter just you. he All Hale Dustin Biery. lau  Maybe you can teach everyone in the world everything about Asil chickens.  lau


I have seen Dustins posts often and I believe that he is very knowledgable, and I completely agree with him. He was just expressing his reasons for his opinion, he did nothing wrong.


That's my point I did nothing wrong put try to express my opinion. If you or anyone agrees with him good for you. I don't assume to know everything about chickens. They are mysterious creatures like all creatures. He does not have to argue with people and just leave them to their own opinion. It sounds like you could do the same. Sorry you feel that I am wrong but you are entitled to that. Congrats. But different people think and learn differently which leads to new ideas and possibilities. Example: The world was looked at as being flat and the people who thought the world might be round were criticized.
With that said I will have no more comment on the matter.  Say what you will but don't expect another response to such silly things.

And sorry to Coopaloop that all you wanted was to know what your chicken might be and you got this. It really is a pretty hen.

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post #42 of 48
1/12/10 at 2:53pm

Looks like a yellow legged mix.  Maybe Wyandot and Marans?

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post #43 of 48
1/12/10 at 4:02pm

By her comb type and weight i believe it would be more correct to look at her as a malay, possibly shamo cross. Is not a pure, as her tail is too high i believe and in the photo it looks like she is crossed with a non-tight feathered breed. IE Yard fowl, or gamefowl "American, Old English, Spanish, etc". Asils do not always stand upright, nor do they come any specific color variety. When Asils "and other orientals" were created, they were created and bred for fighting period and rarely ever were bred for color, height, size, or stance. Which is why they throw so many color variations, so many different stances, sizes etc. Though there are still small things that do give them away.

I say she is probably a Malay cross, as many asil in the US are Rezas, (meaning they're under five pounds) while the larger Kulangs (above five pounds) are rare. She could be Thai too i suppose, but they're rarely "if ever" seen with a walnut comb which to me seems to be what she has, usually seen in Malays. Kraienkoppe is a close guess too i think, but she has a thick oriental appearance, most of the kraienkoppes left in the US have been crossed with leghorns too much and barely show the Oriental appearance except the comb and slight facial features i think. Perhaps someone was trying to improve them though?

Breeding brother and sister sometimes can show what is in the bloodline, but at the same time not always. This year i had a Roundhead X Whitehackle inbred mating. The three sisters came identical to the whitehackles, minus the pea comb (some came straight as well though). The brother is the identical image of his father showing both sides of the family.


Edited by DTchickens - 1/12/10 at 4:12pm

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Fourth generation poultry breeder focusing on Kraienköppe- the breed that won my heart and replaced all others on my farm.

No matter how hard things get, always fight for what you believe in- Daniel
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post #44 of 48
1/12/10 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by jeslewmazer 
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Originally Posted by chickenlover54 
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Originally Posted by jeslewmazer 


You are apparently a now it all about chickens so there is no point to express my opinion. I was not try to get corrected, just trying to express my opinion, and let everyone else do the same.  But I guess everyone does not matter just you. he All Hale Dustin Biery. lau  Maybe you can teach everyone in the world everything about Asil chickens.  lau


I have seen Dustins posts often and I believe that he is very knowledgable, and I completely agree with him. He was just expressing his reasons for his opinion, he did nothing wrong.


That's my point I did nothing wrong put try to express my opinion. If you or anyone agrees with him good for you. I don't assume to know everything about chickens. They are mysterious creatures like all creatures. He does not have to argue with people and just leave them to their own opinion. It sounds like you could do the same. Sorry you feel that I am wrong but you are entitled to that. Congrats. But different people think and learn differently which leads to new ideas and possibilities. Example: The world was looked at as being flat and the people who thought the world might be round were criticized.
With that said I will have no more comment on the matter.  Say what you will but don't expect another response to such silly things.

And sorry to Coopaloop that all you wanted was to know what your chicken might be and you got this. It really is a pretty hen.


I took what you said as you were stating a fact--Asils come in specific varieties only, not that it was an opinion.  I was stating fact that asils do come in a multitude of colorations and varieties.  You can take that for what you will.

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post #45 of 48
1/12/10 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by Minniechickmama 
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No matter what anyone says on here Pure Asils do have a color pattern and that is what I believe.  When crossing and mixing is when the particular genes of a breed get mixed up.If it is Pure Asil it could be Dark Red Ghan Asils that are pictured at http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Games/Asil/BRKAsil.html.   Now whether or not you chicken is pure there is no telling. But the old gamers say if you inbreed that the offspring will show what breeds are in it.


Wouldn't it depend on what you are crossing it with that would throw offspring that split the parentage?  I mean, the rooster's genes are in there too.  If you were to breed this girl with a roo who has the same split parentage, then you would get offspring that would look like either one or the other breed that were in the parents line?  Unless, you were able to breed her to a roo that was either her father's or mother's breed.  I hope I made sense, I know it all gets confusing to people when you talk crossings like that.  I even get a little confused with while I am trying to muddle through the question.


Yeah kinda confusing but will try to answer you questions...if I miss some sorry.
Yes it would depend on what you cross.  From what the old gamers taught me was inbreeding brother and sister off of the same hatch.  So only if you have her brother who has the same parents will you be able to tell. Any other crossing would defeat the purpose and thus inter new blood. The more you cross the more unpredictable your resulting offspring will be. Say that this hen is a cross: If you where to breed this hen back to a rooster that is of her pure/true breed bloodline(whatever it maybe) then any other bloodlines in the offspring would be diluted even more. You can breed what is considered "pure" if you do this with selective breeding, but the other bloodline(s) will always be there and could show up sometime.
Hope this is a little less confusing.


I had it right then...F1 to F1 (i.e. brother to sister) should give you a pretty even split of what the parents were.  However, if this person got one from a hatchery or breeder and no others of that bloodline, then it is a crap shoot and like you said, you just dilute the parents of origin even more.  I breed rabbits too, and they are SO much easier to tell the color difference!  But I imagine if I started mixing breeds I would end up with the same problems, so I don't.
I still think there is something akin to the Cornish I have in the original bird in query on this thread.  I could be wrong, but that is okay, I am not perfect.
Thanks for the validation though wink

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post #46 of 48
1/12/10 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by Minniechickmama 
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Originally Posted by jeslewmazer 
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Originally Posted by Minniechickmama 


Wouldn't it depend on what you are crossing it with that would throw offspring that split the parentage?  I mean, the rooster's genes are in there too.  If you were to breed this girl with a roo who has the same split parentage, then you would get offspring that would look like either one or the other breed that were in the parents line?  Unless, you were able to breed her to a roo that was either her father's or mother's breed.  I hope I made sense, I know it all gets confusing to people when you talk crossings like that.  I even get a little confused with while I am trying to muddle through the question.


Yeah kinda confusing but will try to answer you questions...if I miss some sorry.
Yes it would depend on what you cross.  From what the old gamers taught me was inbreeding brother and sister off of the same hatch.  So only if you have her brother who has the same parents will you be able to tell. Any other crossing would defeat the purpose and thus inter new blood. The more you cross the more unpredictable your resulting offspring will be. Say that this hen is a cross: If you where to breed this hen back to a rooster that is of her pure/true breed bloodline(whatever it maybe) then any other bloodlines in the offspring would be diluted even more. You can breed what is considered "pure" if you do this with selective breeding, but the other bloodline(s) will always be there and could show up sometime.
Hope this is a little less confusing.


I had it right then...F1 to F1 (i.e. brother to sister) should give you a pretty even split of what the parents were.  However, if this person got one from a hatchery or breeder and no others of that bloodline, then it is a crap shoot and like you said, you just dilute the parents of origin even more.  I breed rabbits too, and they are SO much easier to tell the color difference!  But I imagine if I started mixing breeds I would end up with the same problems, so I don't.
I still think there is something akin to the Cornish I have in the original bird in query on this thread.  I could be wrong, but that is okay, I am not perfect.
Thanks for the validation though wink


Glad I could help, and that is a gorgeous hen. love

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post #47 of 48
1/13/10 at 9:26am

Could you talk to the guy you got her from, and find out what other breeds he has?  Sorry you didn't get your GLW.  I love mine.  She is beautiful, though.

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post #48 of 48
1/13/10 at 5:45pm

Looks like a hatchery type chantecler hen to me. I have seen some that look quite similar to her.

Pretty hen no matter what.

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