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Using the barred/cuckoo roo should give you all barred babies both male and female in the F1 offspring, but the roos produced from this cross will be heterozygous (one copy of the barring gene). Breed het. roo back to a barred/cuckoo female and you would get all barred offspring. Breeding the het. roo back to a solid hen, one half of the offspring both male and female will carry the barred/cuckoo gene the other half will be solid.
If you don't have a cuckoo female you can breed the females of this F1 cross back to the cuckoo roos and get all barred babies.

If you used a solid roo over a cuckoo hen only the male offspring would be barred as a barred female can only contribute the barring gene to her male offspring.

I believe cuckoo birds are genetically black birds, so with that being said:

Black x Splash = 100 % blue (Cuckoo roo x splash hen = all blue barred offspring,  males being heterozygous)
Black x Blue = 50% blue, 50% black  (Cuckoo roo x blue hen= half black barred offspring and half blue barred offspring, males being het.)
Black x Black= 100 % black (Cuckoo roo x black hen= all black barred offspring, males being het.)

If I have made a mistake.....please someone correct me. smile  Hope this helps!


For F1s you are assuming that the barred roos have two copies of the gene.  Since we're talking silkies, chances are that they do not, in which case about half the ffspring will inherit barring and about half won't.  There is no gender linkage.

Cuckoo/barring does not require an underlying black bird, although that is most common.  Barring does not show as well on lighter colours.  Blue barred/cuckoo is really pretty.

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post #12 of 27

what Is this bird ? black or blue cuckoo.
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/38899_100_1772.jpg
now a couple months later
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/38899_100_0504.jpg
thanks  PS I think it is a young roo seems to be getting a comb

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post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by Sonoran Silkies 
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Originally Posted by pinkchick 

Using the barred/cuckoo roo should give you all barred babies both male and female in the F1 offspring, but the roos produced from this cross will be heterozygous (one copy of the barring gene). Breed het. roo back to a barred/cuckoo female and you would get all barred offspring. Breeding the het. roo back to a solid hen, one half of the offspring both male and female will carry the barred/cuckoo gene the other half will be solid.
If you don't have a cuckoo female you can breed the females of this F1 cross back to the cuckoo roos and get all barred babies.

If you used a solid roo over a cuckoo hen only the male offspring would be barred as a barred female can only contribute the barring gene to her male offspring.

I believe cuckoo birds are genetically black birds, so with that being said:

Black x Splash = 100 % blue (Cuckoo roo x splash hen = all blue barred offspring,  males being heterozygous)
Black x Blue = 50% blue, 50% black  (Cuckoo roo x blue hen= half black barred offspring and half blue barred offspring, males being het.)
Black x Black= 100 % black (Cuckoo roo x black hen= all black barred offspring, males being het.)

If I have made a mistake.....please someone correct me. smile  Hope this helps!


For F1s you are assuming that the barred roos have two copies of the gene.  Since we're talking silkies, chances are that they do not, in which case about half the ffspring will inherit barring and about half won't.  There is no gender linkage.

Cuckoo/barring does not require an underlying black bird, although that is most common.  Barring does not show as well on lighter colours.  Blue barred/cuckoo is really pretty.


Yes I was assuming that the barred roos had 2 copies of the gene.....I should have said that, Thank you! smile I do not work with Silkies  (except for hatching out some silkie cross EE bantams for fun for my mother) I did not know that, it is good to know. I really only experiment with EE's with my barred hens just for fun. It makes my head whirl.  smile

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post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by pinkchick 
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Originally Posted by Sonoran Silkies 
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Originally Posted by pinkchick 

Using the barred/cuckoo roo should give you all barred babies both male and female in the F1 offspring, but the roos produced from this cross will be heterozygous (one copy of the barring gene). Breed het. roo back to a barred/cuckoo female and you would get all barred offspring. Breeding the het. roo back to a solid hen, one half of the offspring both male and female will carry the barred/cuckoo gene the other half will be solid.
If you don't have a cuckoo female you can breed the females of this F1 cross back to the cuckoo roos and get all barred babies.

If you used a solid roo over a cuckoo hen only the male offspring would be barred as a barred female can only contribute the barring gene to her male offspring.

I believe cuckoo birds are genetically black birds, so with that being said:

Black x Splash = 100 % blue (Cuckoo roo x splash hen = all blue barred offspring,  males being heterozygous)
Black x Blue = 50% blue, 50% black  (Cuckoo roo x blue hen= half black barred offspring and half blue barred offspring, males being het.)
Black x Black= 100 % black (Cuckoo roo x black hen= all black barred offspring, males being het.)

If I have made a mistake.....please someone correct me. smile  Hope this helps!


For F1s you are assuming that the barred roos have two copies of the gene.  Since we're talking silkies, chances are that they do not, in which case about half the ffspring will inherit barring and about half won't.  There is no gender linkage.

Cuckoo/barring does not require an underlying black bird, although that is most common.  Barring does not show as well on lighter colours.  Blue barred/cuckoo is really pretty.


Yes I was assuming that the barred roos had 2 copies of the gene.....I should have said that, Thank you! smile I do not work with Silkies  (except for hatching out some silkie cross EE bantams for fun for my mother) I did not know that, it is good to know. I really only experiment with EE's with my barred hens just for fun. It makes my head whirl.  smile


I think that anytime you have one or two birds pop up with barring, it is best to assume that they only have one copy of the gene--if you are intentionally breeding them and they are several generations into development, or obtained the birds from a breeder who has a number of them, that is a different story.

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post #15 of 27

will white x blue=splash?

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post #16 of 27

no way to know.

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post #17 of 27
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well,since i first posted this question i have learned alot.
from my own personal experience,i have produce pretty splashes from blue x blue breeding but it doesn't seem to follow thru any further.i mean i get splashes from blue x splash and also splash x splash but they don't seem to be as pretty.i don't keep any of those crosses,just from the blue x blue.also,my splash do not have the same personality as my blues.
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post #18 of 27
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well,since i first posted this question i have learned alot.
from my own personal experience,i have produce pretty splashes from blue x blue breeding but it doesn't seem to follow thru any further.i mean i get splashes from blue x splash and also splash x splash but they don't seem to be as pretty.i don't keep any of those crosses,just from the blue x blue.also,my splash do not have the same personality as my blues.

 

That's interesting about the personalities being different.  Blue x blue will definitely give you prettier splashes, because it'll give them more color, and that's my favorite way to make them myself.  But personality should be the same across the boards for all of the offspring from the same parents...that's weird. 

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post #19 of 27
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will white x blue=splash?

Only if the white is hiding splash or blue.  If it's dominant white, you won't know what it's hiding unless you test breed.  But no, you should not expect that outcome. 

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post #20 of 27
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That's interesting about the personalities being different.  Blue x blue will definitely give you prettier splashes, because it'll give them more color, and that's my favorite way to make them myself.  But personality should be the same across the boards for all of the offspring from the same parents...that's weird. 
well,i have splashes only in my blue rocks.my blues are the friendliest birds,very nosey,even the rooster.the splash girls are not skiddish but just don't have that friendly personality.i thought about keeping a splash rooster and breeding him to the blue girls to see what happens.
for the first time ,i hatched a black pullet and cockeral and i may keep them to make some of the blues more lacey.
will the blacks bred to the splashes help in color like the blue x blue?
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