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post #351 of 942

Wow, those are some beautiful birds.

I was thinking of Mendelian genetics - to produce 100% Blue phenotype Andalusian you would cross a Black with a White/Splash Adalusian correct?  That would give you 1 black allele and 1 diluting allele in each chick produced if my understanding of the breed is correct.

post #352 of 942
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Originally Posted by Manningjw 

Wow, those are some beautiful birds.

I was thinking of Mendelian genetics - to produce 100% Blue phenotype Andalusian you would cross a Black with a White/Splash Adalusian correct?  That would give you 1 black allele and 1 diluting allele in each chick produced if my understanding of the breed is correct.


That is Correct..

but Andalusian's have Columbian(Co) Pattern Gene(Pg) and Melanotic(Ml) that's why they are laced, some of these genes are missing in the american lines and therefore they don't look as sharp

post #353 of 942
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manningjw 

Wow, those are some beautiful birds.

I was thinking of Mendelian genetics - to produce 100% Blue phenotype Andalusian you would cross a Black with a White/Splash Adalusian correct?  That would give you 1 black allele and 1 diluting allele in each chick produced if my understanding of the breed is correct.


yes that is correct

Black x Splash = 100 % Blue
Black x Black = 100 % Black
Black x Blue = 50% Black and 50% Blue
Blue x Blue = 25% Black, 50% Blue and 25% Splash
Blue x Splash = 50% blue and 50% Splash
Splash x Splash = 100% Splash

Our Crew: 2 human adults, 3 human kids, 1 Aussie,1 Cocker, Californian and French Angora rabbits,  Andalusians,  Welsummers,  Cuckoo Marans, IB and White Peafowl,

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post #354 of 942
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Originally Posted by nicalandia 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manningjw 

Wow, those are some beautiful birds.

I was thinking of Mendelian genetics - to produce 100% Blue phenotype Andalusian you would cross a Black with a White/Splash Adalusian correct?  That would give you 1 black allele and 1 diluting allele in each chick produced if my understanding of the breed is correct.


That is Correct..

but Andalusian's have Columbian(Co) Pattern Gene(Pg) and Melanotic(Ml) that's why they are laced, some of these genes are missing in the american lines and therefore they don't look as sharp


that is interesting to know, I have not come across that information in what we have read so far,

here is a picture of 1 of the hens that my DD is working with:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/45425_blueberry2_11-1-2010.jpg

is there any way to increase the sharpness of the lacing working with what is available here in the U.S.?

Our Crew: 2 human adults, 3 human kids, 1 Aussie,1 Cocker, Californian and French Angora rabbits,  Andalusians,  Welsummers,  Cuckoo Marans, IB and White Peafowl,

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Our Crew: 2 human adults, 3 human kids, 1 Aussie,1 Cocker, Californian and French Angora rabbits,  Andalusians,  Welsummers,  Cuckoo Marans, IB and White Peafowl,

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post #355 of 942
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Originally Posted by nicalandia 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HENRI 

Here is our web page, and yes blacks are used,
http://www.gallinasandaluzas.com/


que aves mas magnificas las que tienen en andalucia.


Muchas Gracias son preciosas.

post #356 of 942
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Originally Posted by Hens and Roos 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicalandia 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manningjw 

Wow, those are some beautiful birds.

I was thinking of Mendelian genetics - to produce 100% Blue phenotype Andalusian you would cross a Black with a White/Splash Adalusian correct?  That would give you 1 black allele and 1 diluting allele in each chick produced if my understanding of the breed is correct.


That is Correct..

but Andalusian's have Columbian(Co) Pattern Gene(Pg) and Melanotic(Ml) that's why they are laced, some of these genes are missing in the american lines and therefore they don't look as sharp


that is interesting to know, I have not come across that information in what we have read so far,

here is a picture of 1 of the hens that my DD is working with:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/45425_blueberry2_11-1-2010.jpg

is there any way to increase the sharpness of the lacing working with what is available here in the U.S.?


Hi that hen looks realy nice, .

post #357 of 942
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Originally Posted by HENRI 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hens and Roos 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicalandia 


That is Correct..

but Andalusian's have Columbian(Co) Pattern Gene(Pg) and Melanotic(Ml) that's why they are laced, some of these genes are missing in the american lines and therefore they don't look as sharp


that is interesting to know, I have not come across that information in what we have read so far,

here is a picture of 1 of the hens that my DD is working with:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/45425_blueberry2_11-1-2010.jpg

is there any way to increase the sharpness of the lacing working with what is available here in the U.S.?


Hi that hen looks realy nice, .


thanks, she is the original one that my DD started with(only one to survive from the 6 chicks she purchased through a local breeder) the other hens and roosters(hatched from purchased eggs through a different breeder) don't show any lacing close to this one.  We are hoping to improve on this with our up coming hatches.

Our Crew: 2 human adults, 3 human kids, 1 Aussie,1 Cocker, Californian and French Angora rabbits,  Andalusians,  Welsummers,  Cuckoo Marans, IB and White Peafowl,

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Our Crew: 2 human adults, 3 human kids, 1 Aussie,1 Cocker, Californian and French Angora rabbits,  Andalusians,  Welsummers,  Cuckoo Marans, IB and White Peafowl,

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post #358 of 942
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Originally Posted by Hens and Roos 

that is interesting to know, I have not come across that information in what we have read so far


this is taken from "Poultry Breeding and Genetics" from Crawford.
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/AndalusianBlueGenetics.jpg

this the Direct Link to the Google book
http://books.google.com/books?id=VMSF7m2CFTEC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA139#v=onepage&q=andalusian&f=false


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Originally Posted by Hens and Roos 

[is there any way to increase the sharpness of the lacing working with what is available here in the U.S.?


Not without going outside the breed. and if you chose to do so, it could take some time to regain type. but its doable

post #359 of 942
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Originally Posted by nicalandia 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hens and Roos 

that is interesting to know, I have not come across that information in what we have read so far


this is taken from "Poultry Breeding and Genetics" from Crawford.
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/AndalusianBlueGenetics.jpg

this the Direct Link to the Google book
http://books.google.com/books?id=VMSF7m2CFTEC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA139#v=onepage&q=andalusian&f=false


Quote:
Originally Posted by Hens and Roos 

[is there any way to increase the sharpness of the lacing working with what is available here in the U.S.?


Not without going outside the breed. and if you chose to do so, it could take some time to regain type. but its doable


thank you for the information, I will bookmark and read the link you provided smile, do you find this book a good refernce to have when dealing with chickens genetics?

Our Crew: 2 human adults, 3 human kids, 1 Aussie,1 Cocker, Californian and French Angora rabbits,  Andalusians,  Welsummers,  Cuckoo Marans, IB and White Peafowl,

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Our Crew: 2 human adults, 3 human kids, 1 Aussie,1 Cocker, Californian and French Angora rabbits,  Andalusians,  Welsummers,  Cuckoo Marans, IB and White Peafowl,

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post #360 of 942
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Originally Posted by Hens and Roos 

do you find this book a good refernce to have when dealing with chickens genetics?


its my Bible.. tongue

here a few more helpful links
  Genetics page by KazJaps

and Mr. Henks chicken calculator
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html

here is an example using the genes that make up the Andalusian Blue(you can try different genes to see how different they look)
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/CalculatorExample.jpg

if you need help let me know

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