Silkie thread! - Page 1808

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Originally Posted by BarnGoddess01 

 

Math was NEVER my strong suit. Being obsessed with chicken colour genetics is, perhaps, helping but math still isn't my thing.  Is it possible to be Bl/Bl and Lav/Lav? Conceivably, you could take two E/E Bl/Bl Lav/lav's and end up with Bl/Bl Lav/Lav? What would that look like? Probably just like regular splash? Or would that then be a self-blue base with splashes ????

The problem is not so much math but written gene abbreviations uppercase (=Dominant) and lowercase (=recessive) letters to count with.

Indeed every combinations of (color) genes is possible because they have different loci (=place on the chromosome), so also E/E Bl/Bl lav/lav which should be a Black (E/E) diluted with 2 dosis of Blue (Bl/BL) also called Splash = some kind of dirty white with splaches which with 2 dosis of lavender (lav/lav) which would diluted these splashes to light gray (=lavender or in US called "self-blue") evenetually looking as ... almost white I suppose !!!

An other better known example is a rooster "lavender cuckoo" => E/E B/B lav/lav ;-)

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Originally Posted by SilverSilkie 

So their is still room for the inventive breeder.

Is there enough interesse for new colorations ?

What must be done to recognize a new coloration in your standards ?

There are so many colors that people have said to be working on it...

From my understanding it takes at least 5 years of breeding/records, at least 5 different breeders with good breeding records and getting the birds shown AOV and having a meet...I'm sure there more technical and in depth things that must be done as well...

Top contenders for the next recognized variety : 

Blue Partridge

Paint

ShowGirls (Naked Neck Silkies) (also another one the name will have to be changed)

Other colors that are out there being worked on by more than one breeder: 
Porcelain (Self blue creme/pastel) - the name will have to be changed because the US porcelain silkie does not carry the porcelain pattern (yet atleast) 

Columbian 

Mottled

Wheaton

Salmon

Calico

Chocolate

Dun

Frost

Theres many many more out there

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Originally Posted by NovaAman 

 

How long before they grow back? My poor Roger got attacked by a hawk today, and he survived it. BUT is scalped pretty good as you can see... Should I neosporin him? The only places that seem to have bloody spots are on his walnut... everything else is just raw. I am afraid to blu-kote him since its so close to the eyes... What ya'll think would be the best plan of action. This guy put up on hell of a fight.

  I would neosporin to begin with and see how it goes.  If they leave him alone, great.  If not, you can always q-tip the blue kote on.  Poor baby!

For those commenting about the possible self blue chick, I wanted to add the mother was suppose to be porcelain, but she is very dark. However, she does have lavender in her colors.

Here's the mom.

And here's one of the babies. Not the best light... it's cloudy out.

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Originally Posted by ScaredOfShadows 

There are so many colors that people have said to be working on it...

 

From my understanding it takes at least 5 years of breeding/records, at least 5 different breeders with good breeding records and getting the birds shown AOV and having a meet...I'm sure there more technical and in depth things that must be done as well...

 

Top contenders for the next recognized variety : 

 

Blue Partridge

Paint

ShowGirls (Naked Neck Silkies) (also another one the name will have to be changed)

 

Other colors that are out there being worked on by more than one breeder: 
Porcelain (Self blue creme/pastel) - the name will have to be changed because the US porcelain silkie does not carry the porcelain pattern (yet atleast) 

Columbian 

Mottled

Wheaton

Salmon

Calico

Chocolate

Dun

Frost

 

Theres many many more out there

Thanks for the info.

Porcelain in some Europe countries is called "Isabel" (=lavender gold partridge).

In Italy this lavender gold partridge is called "Porcellane", these with the porcelain pattern (gold/black with white mottles) are called "millefiori".

You have to know every European country have is own different language (not as in the US were in every state the language is English).

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Originally Posted by BamaBull 

Don't know if this is the correct thread for this, and we are truly newbies at raising chickens (but loving it!), so I've got to ask:

Where can one buy Silkies?  Just a few, mind you!  No more than four or five, and preferably females.  We aren't looking to breed, just enjoy.

What age are you looking for?  Chicks are terribly difficult to sex, and even though some will say they are sexed, the report is that "females" are somtimes actually boys (from My Pet Chicken, for example.)

http://amberwavessilkies.blogspot.com/p/silkies-for-sale-updated-92811.html says they do DNA testing on chicks, fwiw.

Try finding your state's thread here, too. Local people often have swaps and generally know where to find breeds.

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Originally Posted by ChickensXOXO 

For those commenting about the possible self blue chick, I wanted to add the mother was suppose to be porcelain, but she is very dark. However, she does have lavender in her colors.

 

Here's the mom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And here's one of the babies. Not the best light... it's cloudy out.

 

 

 

 

The mother is a "gold" partridge lavender = the US porcelaine

The chick is (based on sight in the image) a silver based black lavender = the US self-blue

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Originally Posted by thebutress 

I'm following along with yalls color genetics discussion. It's a little confusing since I know color genetics in horses, but similar. I must ask, what in the world is 'self-blue'?

Self-blue is the official description of the lavender gene. APA wouldn't allow the use of the word "lavender" when defining the colour for official purposes. When you see "self-blue" it means Lav and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by SilverSilkie 

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Originally Posted by BarnGoddess01 

 

Math was NEVER my strong suit. Being obsessed with chicken colour genetics is, perhaps, helping but math still isn't my thing.  Is it possible to be Bl/Bl and Lav/Lav? Conceivably, you could take two E/E Bl/Bl Lav/lav's and end up with Bl/Bl Lav/Lav? What would that look like? Probably just like regular splash? Or would that then be a self-blue base with splashes ????

The problem is not so much math but written gene abbreviations uppercase (=Dominant) and lowercase (=recessive) letters to count with.

Indeed every combinations of (color) genes is possible because they have different loci (=place on the chromosome), so also E/E Bl/Bl lav/lav which should be a Black (E/E) diluted with 2 dosis of Blue (Bl/BL) also called Splash = some kind of dirty white with splaches which with 2 dosis of lavender (lav/lav) which would diluted these splashes to light gray (=lavender or in US called "self-blue") evenetually looking as ... almost white I suppose !!!

 

An other better known example is a rooster "lavender cuckoo" => E/E B/B lav/lav ;-)

Yes, I made the mistake of referring the the Lav gene with all lower case earlier today. It occurred to me whilst driving so I couldn't edit the post.

ok ... so as you just typed it with "lav/lav" (all lower case), is that a cuckoo showing lavender/self-blue?

The Isabel/porcelain/mille fleur stuff TOTALLY confuses me. And then add "lemon" into the mix .... OY!