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Originally Posted by COOPER12 View Post

nice coop....
do I see cream brabanters ?????????

Yikes ...YES, you do! I hatched out 12 of them about three weeks ago...I'm out od control big_smile.png

Splash Wyandottes, Cream Legbars, Norwegian Jaerhon's, Bresse, Marans, Swedish Flower Hens, Icelandics, Isbars, Cream Brabanters, Jubilee Orpington's, Easter Eggers and the list Keeps going... Wonder whats next!! LOL

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Splash Wyandottes, Cream Legbars, Norwegian Jaerhon's, Bresse, Marans, Swedish Flower Hens, Icelandics, Isbars, Cream Brabanters, Jubilee Orpington's, Easter Eggers and the list Keeps going... Wonder whats next!! LOL

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post #15622 of 18561

lol... I think I need a few more ice's...... duc.gifbut better wait till the next batch of chicks comes.... I have tooo many young ones for my areas

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Breeding Crele Penedesenca's ,Black Penedesenca  and White Empordanesa's

plus the

Blue Crew ( U of a Blues , Blue Ameraucana , Easter Eggers , Olive eggers and now Silver Ameraucana )

 

for olive egger purposes

 

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California Certified Nursery Pro

 

Breeding Crele Penedesenca's ,Black Penedesenca  and White Empordanesa's

plus the

Blue Crew ( U of a Blues , Blue Ameraucana , Easter Eggers , Olive eggers and now Silver Ameraucana )

 

for olive egger purposes

 

"Penedesenca Breeders and Fan Club " on Facebook

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post #15623 of 18561
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Originally Posted by Happy Chooks View Post

I took the chance and let my welsummer broody out yesterday afternoon with her chick. (her previous chick was killed by one of the hens the 2nd day)  I segregated her and gave her some eggs from under another broody.   She's looking raggedy because she ended up sitting for 2 months.  Her new chick is 9 days old now. I was gone most of the day and I was super worried about the chick.

This is what I came home to this afternoon:
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Big kid envy:

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Love The Pics...
I love seeing Broodies and there babies smile.png
My broody was due yesterday... I picked here up off here nest today to see how many babies she had.... Well, she didnt do so good. She smashed them in the shell. Never had that happen before... Does this happen very often? Luckily I had some chicks hatching in the incubator. I gave her two babies... She was so happy. smile.png

Splash Wyandottes, Cream Legbars, Norwegian Jaerhon's, Bresse, Marans, Swedish Flower Hens, Icelandics, Isbars, Cream Brabanters, Jubilee Orpington's, Easter Eggers and the list Keeps going... Wonder whats next!! LOL

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Splash Wyandottes, Cream Legbars, Norwegian Jaerhon's, Bresse, Marans, Swedish Flower Hens, Icelandics, Isbars, Cream Brabanters, Jubilee Orpington's, Easter Eggers and the list Keeps going... Wonder whats next!! LOL

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post #15624 of 18561
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Originally Posted by COOPER12 View Post

IMG_3087.jpganother shot of Curly

Nice colors on this boy (I like the dark ones) and looks like he carries himself very gracefully.  Sorry I can't comment about the feather issue, I've never seen 'fray' with my own eyes. How did you come up with the name Curly?

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I posted several days ago on the feather issue, and my own 3 featherlegged roosters, but there has been so many posts since then that I cant find it.   caf.gif

 

Anyhow, below is Marys excellent post on the matter,     clap.gif

 

what I have seen among my three isNOT fray but rather something that I can only call 'disheveled' in its more extreme expression, and that two out of the 3 roosters I had showing it grew out of it, one, a smaller splash still has a crooked main wing feather, and several crooked tail feathers, he looks a bit like he has been 'roughed up', but there is NO fray feathers now anywhere on his body.

 

I had a white one that showed no feather issues from the time I received him, I have a blackbreasted redwing rooster that had a couple crooked feathers but he has since moulted out and has a beautiful  set of all of his feathers. All three roosters have nice leg feathering, nothing extreme to them.

 

So, for those of you who have chicks that show some difference in their feathering I would let them grow out and see how they mature, from what I am seeing in my own limited experience is that there is much to do about very little. If when they mature you see any that have feather irregularities then cull them, the stew pot is my reccomendation.

 

I havent been here much the past few days, getting ready for the trip north, had several 'invasive procedures' at the VA for cancer checkup, now clear after five years !!  woot.gif

 

Nothing found except a life boat oar from the Edmund Fitzgerald .

 

 

BTW, I DO get the Jake jokes, and chuckle,

 

Life is good, and better with Icelandic Chickens !  thumbsup.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by The Sheriff View Post

Regarding feathering issues in Icelandics. This is what I know.

 

1.) We do not even know that what we have observed is fray. The chicks I have hatched with abnormal feathering could fall into more than one of these recognized feather mutation categories.

 

The following mutations diminish feather quality (egg, feathers prone to breakages, etc).

(source: Poultry Breeding & Genetics).

1. Fray (fr) - autosomal recessive (affects mostly wing flights & tail feathers)

2. Flightless (F1) - autosomal dominant (affects mostly wing flights & tail feathers)

3. Alopecia - autosomal recessive (affects mostly remiges & rectrices)

4. Dysplastiv remiges (dr) - (affects remiges & rectrices, -extreme cases wing coverts)

5. Hypoplasia of tail feathers (Hy) - autosomal dominant (affects tail feathers, resembles rumplessness,

but vertebrae normal) Found in Ingie Fowl.

6. Matted Down - polygenic trait

7. Ragged Wing (rw) - autosomal recessive (affects wing flights)

8. Porcupine (pc) - autosomal recessive (spiny quills)

9. Ropy (ropy) - autosomal recessive (sticky down, adults - large wing feathers, sometimes body feathers -

roughness)

10. Stringy (st) - recessive (down feathers stringy, very high mortality rate)

11. String-2 (st-2) - autosomal recessive (down sticky, adults - most barbules were absent from wing & tail

feathers)

12. Sunsuit (sn) - autosomal recessive (down wiry & sticky, adults - extremities bare of feathers, body

better covered)

13. Wiry (wi) - autosomal recessive (down sticky & lacked barbs on distal halves. Adults - mostly wiry

barbs of wing flights & tail feathers).

14. Wooly (wo) - autosomal recessive (shortened down- semi-naked, slick shiny feet. Adults - feathers

abnormal in structure, rough & incomplete).

15. Wing Patch - expression limited to males, may possibly be linked to the lavender locus.

 

2.) Feather abnormalities have not been observed in the birds originating from first Icelandic eggs legally imported into the United States by Sigrid in 1999. It has not been observed in subsequent legal importations of eggs by Sigrid.

 

3.) I do not know of any feather abnormalities in birds I hatched or others hatched from my original two pairs from Sigrid. 

 

4.) I first heard of the feathering issue after I hatched eggs in May 2010 which originated from the line imported by Lyle Behl in 2003. Those eggs came from someone who established her flock from eggs from the Lyle Behl line. The first notice I had that there might be a problem was this correspondence in August 2010 from the person I got the eggs from.

 

"The feathering issue is that some of the feathers of some of the chickens grow in an odd position so the chickens don't look smooth and sleek. I even got one that looked like its feathers were curly. I'm culling them from my flock whenever I can but I'm still getting occasional chickens with weird feathering. Eventually I'll have it culled out. It doesn't affect the health of the chickens, just the looks."

 

5.) I was never able to get any more concrete information about the feathering issue. We corresponded infrequently about it but I was not able to find out exactly what the problem was.

 

6.) In May 2011 I contacted her sending pictures of a chick I hatched that had strange feathering. Her response was:

 

"I think your chick shows a high probability of have "funky feathers" but it's so young that you will certainly have time to figure it out before he/she is of breeding age. Trust your eyes. If you have a non-moulting chicken that looks disheveled all the time, I would definitely take it out of the breeding pool."

 

"I have attached two pictures of the last hen that I have with our version of funky feathers. She's not as bad as some have been but she just has an overall disheveled look and a few feathers that are askew. Please forgive the quality of the pictures but you will be able to see her larger feathers (whitish) that are growing at a strange angle. What the pictures don't show are that she also has a few small feathers on her back the look like they are growing at a different angle than they should."

 

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6.) I have not spoken directly to Lyle Behl about this issue but I have had many, many requests from people looking for eggs or chicks not from Lyle's line because of "feathering problems." This is in no way meant to disparage Lyle Behl or his line of legally imported Icelandics. From my correspondence with him and what I have heard from others, Lyle is a good man. Where and when the first Icelandic chicken with feathering problems appeared I have no idea. What I do know is it didn't show up in my flock until after I added the other line for "diversity."

 

7.) I have removed all Icelandic chickens from my flock with the exception of the pair I received directly from Sigrid. I am rebuilding with eggs from their mating and will hatch more of Sigrid's eggs this summer. 

 

8.) Specifically to redchicken9, I am one of the "you people" you called out in this statement:  Frankly, all you people with frayed icelandics that have continued to hatch and sell them are the ones spreading this "mutation".  little has been done to stop breeding these lines  The real issue is if fray is bad, you folks need to work harder on removing fray." 

 

You need to know that most of us on this thread have worked hard to identify the cause and origination of the "feathering problem" and eliminate it from our flocks. It was only after several other attempts to find the source that I made the gut wrenching decision to get rid of all my birds with the exception of the pair from Sigrid. I resent your accusations.

 

 

9.) I do, however, agree with two of your statements: "there could be outcrossed birds"  Yes, there could be and there have been. Just as in every other breed of chickens being sold and traded, there are people who do not care about preservation. We have no control over what people do with their chickens. We have asked, begged, and pleaded with people to keep their Icelandics pure but some just don't care. There are crossbreeds out there of all the breeds of chickens, I can guarantee you that. We do the best we can by trying to pick good stewards of the breed and notify each other privately when we find out someone is crossing them. Beyond that there is not much we can do about it.  

 

"It's clear that it hasn't always been imported with regulatory diligence (no surprise)."  I have good reason to believe that this statement is quite true and I am in the process of investigating recent claims of legal importations. I have it on good authority that Johanna G. Hardardottir has never sold nor given away eggs to be imported into the United States. 

 

10.) This is all I know and all the information I can provide as to the issue with feathering in the Icelandic population in the U.S. I believe this is just something that happened, probably not even true fray, and those who care about the preservation of the Icelandic chicken in the U.S. will continue to do whatever they can to rid all mutations from the relatively small gene pool. Now that hatcheries have gotten their hands on Icelandics it may be too late. As with all other breeds there will always be breeder/keepers who have quality stock. 

 

Do I regret adding the other line to my flock? In retrospect, yes. Would I ever do it again? No. Do I know with certainty that it came from the other line? No. Am I doing everything I can to find out and fix it? Yes.


Edited by Jake Levi - 6/9/12 at 6:08am

Icelandics,brought to Iceland by Vikings in the 9th century, winterhardy, freeranging, an ancient homestead breed that broods, a steady producer of white eggs.Very variable in color,  comb style  and feathering. Like Forest Gumps box of Chocolates, 'You never know what you are going to get". My  Homesteader Breeds;  Icelandic Chickens, Chantecler,  Delaware and Iowa Blues. 

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Icelandics,brought to Iceland by Vikings in the 9th century, winterhardy, freeranging, an ancient homestead breed that broods, a steady producer of white eggs.Very variable in color,  comb style  and feathering. Like Forest Gumps box of Chocolates, 'You never know what you are going to get". My  Homesteader Breeds;  Icelandic Chickens, Chantecler,  Delaware and Iowa Blues. 

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post #15626 of 18561
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Jake! That is wonderful news!  yesss.gif  You must celebrate my friend!  wee.gifBut........................

 

You could have at least let us enjoy thinking you didn't get the jokes. barnie.gif

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Visit my Blog!        Everyday Miracles & Mayhem at the Buck 'n Run Ranch    Have fun at Stella's Social Club here on BYC!

 

Sheriff of The Buck 'n Run Ranch, breeding Icelandic, Cream Legbar, &  Isbar chickens, fainting goats, emus, & donkeys on five acres in northern California.  Visit my website and check it all out! 

 

 

 

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Edited by kathyinmo - 7/30/12 at 8:37am

RIP my son, Michael Bonham, Jr. 1972-2013

A son, brother, friend, wrestler, father, Ranger, coach, and more....

A memorial video with some of his (too short) life HERE.

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RIP my son, Michael Bonham, Jr. 1972-2013

A son, brother, friend, wrestler, father, Ranger, coach, and more....

A memorial video with some of his (too short) life HERE.

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post #15628 of 18561

Great news Jake!!!!! ya.gif

 

 

Cooper - your roosters feathering is normal.  That's tail fluff you see at the base of the tail.

 

 

 

Mama hen went in to the coop last night and the baby couldn't figure out the ramp.  I pulled her about 4 times out of the nest box trying to get her to show the baby how to get up there.  Not so funny spending an hour trying to catch the fast little bugger. (I need a net!)  Finally got it and tucked it in with mama.

Breeding Welsummers and Barnevelders.

 

Having an Icelandic in the coop is like having a 2 year old in the house - they are into everything and don't follow the rules.

I have zero chicken willpower.

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Breeding Welsummers and Barnevelders.

 

Having an Icelandic in the coop is like having a 2 year old in the house - they are into everything and don't follow the rules.

I have zero chicken willpower.

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Kelly, fish net $16, Home Depot, in the garden department, pond section in front of the cash register stand.  frow.gif

Visit my Blog!        Everyday Miracles & Mayhem at the Buck 'n Run Ranch    Have fun at Stella's Social Club here on BYC!

 

Sheriff of The Buck 'n Run Ranch, breeding Icelandic, Cream Legbar, &  Isbar chickens, fainting goats, emus, & donkeys on five acres in northern California.  Visit my website and check it all out! 

 

 

 

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Visit my Blog!        Everyday Miracles & Mayhem at the Buck 'n Run Ranch    Have fun at Stella's Social Club here on BYC!

 

Sheriff of The Buck 'n Run Ranch, breeding Icelandic, Cream Legbar, &  Isbar chickens, fainting goats, emus, & donkeys on five acres in northern California.  Visit my website and check it all out! 

 

 

 

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post #15630 of 18561
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Originally Posted by The Sheriff View Post

Kelly, fish net $16, Home Depot, in the garden department, pond section in front of the cash register stand.  frow.gif


It's now on my to-do list!

Breeding Welsummers and Barnevelders.

 

Having an Icelandic in the coop is like having a 2 year old in the house - they are into everything and don't follow the rules.

I have zero chicken willpower.

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Breeding Welsummers and Barnevelders.

 

Having an Icelandic in the coop is like having a 2 year old in the house - they are into everything and don't follow the rules.

I have zero chicken willpower.

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