Originally Posted by draye
Thanks Kev for the feedback.
I didn't realize that Birchen and Copper were the same thing. I think that is what is kind if confusing to us simple people, hobby names.
I kind of figured that was the EE blood showing through. I had a lot of what I was tons was Gold Duckwing in the Easter Egger and then later was told it was a type of partridge. Confusing.
So will this continue to pop up in this line if Naked Necks if I should continue with them?
I guess that would be okay as I'm not breeding for any particular color right now. I am getting several black and red now so may try breeding those colors, but my main interest right now it the Calico look. Lots of white along with the spots/mottling.
The hobby is seriously bad with naming. Multiple names for the same thing, same name given to totally different things.
Copper red/blue, birchen, Brown red(often used in games) are all the same gene.
Red duckwing is a problem because it both means specifically the wild type color(the red junglefowl) and also any rooster showing the duckwing pattern.. three different genes will show the duckwing on roosters: red duckwing (genetic lingo e+), wheaten(eWh) and partridge(eb)
So when someone tells me 'duckwing' I can't immediately tell if they are talking about e+ or if they are talking about the visual color of a rooster.. could be wheaten, red duckwing or partridge..
don't worry about it too much, duckwing still works reasonably well especially if don't know which exact gene it is.
example if you tell me you have a duckwing rooster and want to breed with a stripy brown hen, I know to tell you to probably expect all duckwinged roosters and hens being brown with stripes. But if you tell me the rooster is copper/birchen I know to tell you to expect at least half black chicks.....
p.s. there is a term for roosters without the patch- crowwing but it's pretty much not used much anymore, except among Game folks. These are usually birchen or leaky blacks.
I'm not sure, maybe you might like mottled on partridges. They will have a rich black/brown/red with mottle. Much darker than the Alohas.
Edited by Kev - 9/26/15 at 9:44am