Originally Posted by Kev
Originally Posted by Fire Ant Farm
@Kev I have a lavender genetics question.
My single Lavender Ameraucana is looking like he'll be a cockerel (I named him - Goodwin). I would like to cross him in with my NNs to add not only the blue egg gene, but also pea comb-type feather pattern.
I find myself confused by the fact that technically these are black birds when thinking of the potential results.
Can you advise crossings? Current thoughts are to cross him with Trinity (black NN with NN phenotype, large bird), maybe Mystique (dark partridge with "gypsy" face [sorry, I don't know the non-offensive term for that], Nn phenotype, large bird), and maybe Sweetie (black tail buff, NN phenotype, large bird). I'm also wondering about crossing him with the two Nn Aloha NNs.
What can I expect? Does this sound reasonable? (I realize it will be F2 onward where I will see any lavender phenotypes, etc.)
- Ant Farm
Phil did a great job at covering the basics. The simplest answer as for crossing blacks with just about any color or pattern is to expect black chicks, with some color showing as they feather up. How much color is very variable, partly due to their being two different kinds of black as just recently explained as response to Phil.
The only "exceptions" would be any dominant genes that affect black.. like dominant white or blue. I don't think you have any birds with either of those though..?
I agree for solid lavenders, it is much less of a 'headache' to outcross with any solid blacks. This is because of the various genes for helping with covering up colored areas are both recessive or dominant. There is also a degree of sex influence with hens generally showing less color than roosters- for example two birds genetically exactly the same: hen would appear to be solid black.. but the twin rooster would show color. That is very frustrating for someone trying to breed solid blacks(lavenders and blues too)
Are there any goals you have mind as for the lavender gene? Solid lavender, Isabel, porcelain etc?
Thanks! (both Phil and Kev)
Honestly, my goals are to take advantage of this Lavender Ameraucana cockerel (that I got as an "extra" with the other chicks) and get something interesting mixed in with a subset of my NNs to see what happens (also sort of an excuse to keep him, because he's gorgeous and sweet).
So, just getting his blue egg and pea comb genetics swirled in there would be good/fun, and I'm wondering about where I could go to enjoy the lavender aspect as well. No specific goal, it would just be fun to have a flock rooster down the road that carried lav and threw interesting chicks with other girls that may carry it... Any color diluted would be lovely, I would think.
As for pea comb, he's what I've got on hand and I'd love to have clean-necked NNs.
The double bonus of crossing him with Trinity and Mystique is that, not only are they already dark, but they are my largest girls, along with Sweetie, and if I'm going to cross the Ameraucana in, I want to at least try to give the hybrids a bit of a size boost compared to crossing with a smaller girl.
So... I guess my "plans" are to throw him in, genetically, and see what comes out! (Not that I won't keep records, of course.)
It appeals to me to have a flock that has the blue egg gene, pea comb, and lavender gene all floating around ready to pop out in something interesting (I just want to think of the most interesting pairings to make in F1). I may even give him some of my little cream legbar girls, as I seem to have a relative surplus of those around at the moment. Crazy, right?
- Ant Farm